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re: New Mexico National Popular Vote Bill Headed to Governer's Desk
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:39 pm to SammyTiger
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:39 pm to SammyTiger
Yes, that's the whole point of it
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:41 pm to upgrayedd
Ok, we’re on the same page.
My question then becomes:
Why should we care about that?
Someone is getting boned either way why should it people people living in populated states?
My question then becomes:
Why should we care about that?
Someone is getting boned either way why should it people people living in populated states?
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:41 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Then the Republic is void.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:41 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Then the Republic is void. It's all or none. Has to be done via a Constitutional Amendment ratified by the states.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:44 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
I am Asking why it’s better than an popular vote at representing the voice of the people.
Because when you have mega-population centers like NY and CA, then their numbers become much more powerful than rural areas. Our fore-fathers understood this and protected our country from having only heavy population centers represented in our government. Can you imagine what laws would be on the books if we did not have EC? Farmers would have basically no representation at all in the Federal Government.
States like Louisiana and Alabama would have very little voice, they would be at the of the population centers.
How could this be, you ask? Well, because those states get the heaviest voice in the House of Representatives. It gives far more power for a "Tyrant" like Donald Trump to manipulate people in the large population centers with laws that benefit their lifestyles. Manipulate the population centers, keep the power with the Tyrant's family.
If DJT was a true Tyrant like the lefties say, eliminating the EC would be the absolute worst thing in the world for the left.
quote:
Lol, you can’t defend your point.
I can defend my point just fine.
You, my friend, are the one which can not defend your ignorance for not understanding 9 grade Civics class.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:45 pm to GeorgePaton
How does the constitution dictate Electors be determined?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:45 pm to Green Chili Tiger
And it will impact states like this more than most.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:47 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Why should we care about that?
Because it keeps highly concentrated population centers from being the dominant voice of very large areas outside of those population centers. Surely you don't think people in Manhattan have the same attitude or beliefs as someone in Des Moines, right?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:53 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Can't imagine this stuff would stand up to a court challenge
Posted on 3/13/19 at 4:53 pm to upgrayedd
Listen I agree they Have different values
But why should we tip the scale in favor of less people?
Why should we over value anyone’s values?
Yes we need farmers. I am Pretty sure everyone knows that.
We probably would legislate them out of existence if we let the “majority” decide
And there are many other ways smaller sections of American society are represented.
Like the House. Also all States have farms. Most senators are not anti-farmers.
I understand The arguement just why is it better?
But why should we tip the scale in favor of less people?
Why should we over value anyone’s values?
Yes we need farmers. I am Pretty sure everyone knows that.
We probably would legislate them out of existence if we let the “majority” decide
And there are many other ways smaller sections of American society are represented.
Like the House. Also all States have farms. Most senators are not anti-farmers.
I understand The arguement just why is it better?
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:00 pm to SammyTiger
To answer your original question... The electoral college prevents one state from determining the President, as has already been said. The best example in history is what California is doing as a Sanctuary state. If they have their way they will be bringing in 1 million illegal aliens every year, giving them the right to vote. Even if all the other states close their borders, California would throw open the door and corrupt the entire national election.
You need to get over the popular vote issue. You don't get points for having more yards. You get points for getting into the end zone. Trumps deficit was in California. He never campaigned there because the popular vote is only yards. Not points.
You need to get over the popular vote issue. You don't get points for having more yards. You get points for getting into the end zone. Trumps deficit was in California. He never campaigned there because the popular vote is only yards. Not points.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:06 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
But why should we tip the scale in favor of less people?
The EC doesn't "tip the scale in favor of less people". All it does is provide a check of power against the large population centers that can use their numbers to cancel out the votes of people from a broad and different cultural/societal norm than those in the densely populated areas.
It's like people in NYC telling people in Albany that no one needs a car because public transportation is easily available where they live then they vote to ban personal vehicles. Sorry, the majority won.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:09 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
How does the constitution dictate Electors be determined?
It doesn't, but I'm pretty sure any Interstate Compact requires congressional approval.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:13 pm to The Easter Bunny
quote:
I can't believe people would give up their voice willingly
nobody's giving up anything, it's patently unconstitutional
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:15 pm to OchoDedos
What in the constitution prohibits it outright?
If they all decided on their own and dropped the interstate compact part and one state could do this (they don’t want to unless it matters)
If they all decided on their own and dropped the interstate compact part and one state could do this (they don’t want to unless it matters)
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:15 pm to Green Chili Tiger
So how is this trend stopped?
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:17 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
Just imagine if Trump wins the popular vote in 2020
He can't and they know this based on 2016 numbers. That's the whole reason they're doing this.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:22 pm to upgrayedd
It overvalued votes in certain states for sure.
Why should a Wyoming matter more than a voter in New York, or Louisiana or Texas.
But their Elector:Voter ratio is significantly great than any other states.
And no these elections aren’t settled by Wyoming, but we aren’t representing the people
Of the country.
Why should a Wyoming matter more than a voter in New York, or Louisiana or Texas.
But their Elector:Voter ratio is significantly great than any other states.
And no these elections aren’t settled by Wyoming, but we aren’t representing the people
Of the country.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:23 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Leftists will do anything to gain power
too bad most republicans are mitt romney
too bad most republicans are mitt romney
Posted on 3/13/19 at 5:27 pm to SammyTiger
quote:
Why should a Wyoming matter more than a voter in New York, or Louisiana or Texas.
They quite literally don't. I don't know why you're having trouble with this. It merely gives them more equal representation. WY has 3 EC votes, NY has 29.
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