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re: New Mexico National Popular Vote Bill Headed to Governer's Desk
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:37 pm to beachdude
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:37 pm to beachdude
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Next on the party’s to do list is to increase the number of associate justices of the Supreme Court of the United States when the party controls both houses of Congress
I don’t see a scenario where the Dems control the senate anytime soon.
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Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:52 pm to SammyTiger
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dont Want him beholden to a bunch of unpopulated states either.
Wouldn’t it make sense to break up the power of these big states and let their minority’s votes count?
You don't know crap about the US Constitution. Maybe you would even fail a US Citizenship test.
Article II section 1 of the United States Constitution establishes the Electoral College. It states,
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The founding fathers created the Electoral College as a compromise between electing the president by popular vote and electing the president by Congressional vote. Specifically stated by Jefferson, Madison etc. they did not want rule by MOB.
Do yourself a favor and get an education.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 7:55 pm to SammyTiger
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They don’t.
Wyoming and Montana are represented at drastically different rates.
It’s like you don’t know what equal means.
It's not about equal, it's about the US Constitution. Read it. Give you a hint, Article II.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:10 pm to 5Wide
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"To date, it has been approved by 12 states representing 172 electoral votes
Were there any that actually voted for President Trump in 2016? I don't think so, which really makes this even crazier and seems self destructive for the dems - only outcome is that their state flips red in the event popular vote is for the republican.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 8:24 pm to Green Chili Tiger
These guys are dumb...
What happens when a righty wins the pop vote again...they carry all the blue states
What happens when a righty wins the pop vote again...they carry all the blue states
Posted on 3/13/19 at 9:05 pm to kbmaverick
And the US Constition has been amended 27 times.
This is something that’s worth an amendment.
Also I dont Think What the states are doing is inherently unconstitutional. Maybe procedurally
This is something that’s worth an amendment.
Also I dont Think What the states are doing is inherently unconstitutional. Maybe procedurally
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:11 pm to SammyTiger
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I am Asking why it’s better than an popular vote at representing the voice of the people.
Because we're a federal republic with a constitution that governs presidential elections. You actually seem to want a French Revolution like mob easily whipped into emotional political frenzy to represent the "voice of the people".
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:36 pm to Mr. Misanthrope
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Because we're a federal republic with a constitution that governs presidential elections. You actually seem to want a French Revolution like mob easily whipped into emotional political frenzy to represent the "voice of the people".
1. Chill out. States are free to decide how their electors vote. People want to talk about our dog sinng fathers, they literally used to just show up and y’all till they had enough votes for a guy. Hamilton broke a tie for Jefferson because he didn’t like Burr.
2. There is a difference between a popular vote and a revolution.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:40 pm to Green Chili Tiger
AND NEW MEXICO. They will shoot their own foot.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:47 pm to SammyTiger
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But why should we tip the scale in favor of less people?
Jesus fricking Christ, how old are you?
If you’re too fricking stupid to understand why the Electoral College was established, shut the frick up and leave the discussion to the adults.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 10:55 pm to upgrayedd
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This has a civil disaster written all over it. Just imagine if Trump wins the popular vote in 2020
Unanimous consent to vote for Ttump among the electorate?
There would be bloodshed before daybreak.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:02 pm to Armchair_QB
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There was one difficulty however of a serious nature attending an immediate choice by the people. The right of suffrage was much more diffusive in the Northern than the Southern States; and the latter could have no influence in the election on the score of Negroes. The substitution of electors obviated this difficulty and seemed on the whole to be liable to the fewest objections
James Madison
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But frick James Madison, right? so ignorant about the constitution.
Compromises are important in getting the nation formed. It doesn't mean we have to hold them sacred as iff handed down by the lord himself. the facts that it is a compromise means that a lot of our founding father's didn't want it, but could live wiht it.
The constitution also gives these states free reign to decide. If they want to base is on other states votes isn't that for their legislature to decide?
The "compact between states" issue is a real complaint, but it is more procedural than substantive. These states could easily independently do this on their own.
The "mob rule" issue with a popular vote was that the founding fathers 1) were elitists who literally just wanted the electoral college to decide on their own. Electors weren't even picked by popular vote till the 1800s. 2) were from lave states that didn't want a president elected by an more populated abolitionist north.
I guarantee none of us would be voting for president if we went by the original method
this is not a partisan issue, unless the only reason you don't want a popular vote is that you think your party wont win.
This post was edited on 3/13/19 at 11:36 pm
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:40 pm to SammyTiger
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And the US Constition has been amended 27 times.
This is something that’s worth an amendment.
Also I dont Think What the states are doing is inherently unconstitutional. Maybe procedurally
And do you know what it takes to amend the Constitution? 38 of the States would need to ratify. There are no where near 38 States would do away with the EC.
The first 10 were original and called the Bill of Rights. They have never been touched and won't be. It was amended 17 times with new amendments and one time to repeal the 18th Amendment.
In the history of the United States, that was the only time a constitutional amendment has been repealed.
As I mentioned, educate yourself.
Posted on 3/13/19 at 11:50 pm to kbmaverick
1. They wouldn't need to amend the constitution to do this. They would just have to do it independently and not as some weird interstate treaty. States are free to decide how they want to pick who their electors vote for.
2. Th electoral college isn't an amendment its an article. So we wouldn't have to repeal an amendment to get rid of it, we woudl have to pass an amendment. Most amendments have to do with changing something in the constitution. Again this has nothing to do with this being constitutional or not.
3.something being in the constitution doesn't make it ideal. Lots of compromises were made to get the federal government off the ground, and we have amended several of them, and expanded past our forefarther's thinking of who should be allowed to pic the president to add popular votes in states in the first place.
4. I think there is a difference constitutionally between each state passing this law on their own, and the states all agreeing they will pass the law if the other do. It seems like this is constitutional
educate yourself. You can't apply your basic civics class to actual situations.
2. Th electoral college isn't an amendment its an article. So we wouldn't have to repeal an amendment to get rid of it, we woudl have to pass an amendment. Most amendments have to do with changing something in the constitution. Again this has nothing to do with this being constitutional or not.
3.something being in the constitution doesn't make it ideal. Lots of compromises were made to get the federal government off the ground, and we have amended several of them, and expanded past our forefarther's thinking of who should be allowed to pic the president to add popular votes in states in the first place.
4. I think there is a difference constitutionally between each state passing this law on their own, and the states all agreeing they will pass the law if the other do. It seems like this is constitutional
educate yourself. You can't apply your basic civics class to actual situations.
This post was edited on 3/14/19 at 12:14 am
Posted on 3/14/19 at 12:22 am to SammyTiger
To get rid of EC, yes they would.
But I do realize none of this sinks into your skull. You still have extreme butt hurt because HC lost and to permanently damage you, Trump will win again. Take another look at the number of counties that Trump won. Even in New York he carried the majority of the counties. The votes of two cities gave Hilary a majority. What you are defending would result in a Constitutional crisis this country has never seen before. We are already in the beginning of a Civil War and giving power to the "MOB" (yes it is a mob) would bring it to a nasty ending.
But I do realize none of this sinks into your skull. You still have extreme butt hurt because HC lost and to permanently damage you, Trump will win again. Take another look at the number of counties that Trump won. Even in New York he carried the majority of the counties. The votes of two cities gave Hilary a majority. What you are defending would result in a Constitutional crisis this country has never seen before. We are already in the beginning of a Civil War and giving power to the "MOB" (yes it is a mob) would bring it to a nasty ending.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 12:32 am to Green Chili Tiger
That's unconstitutional as far as I know.
The Electoral College cannot be abolished state by state.
The Electoral College cannot be abolished state by state.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 12:36 am to bamarep
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Has The Left brain-fricked the country that bad?
FIFY and yes.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 12:37 am to kbmaverick
1. New Mexico’s law isn’t repealing the EC. They are more or less circumventing it by giving their EC votes to the popular winner.
2. The constitution AS IS allows states to decide how their electors vote. No real rules there.
3. There wasn’t a crisis when half the states switched to popular votes to decide who their EC votes would go to. that’s not in the constitution. And somehow we survived.
4. Didn’t vote for Hillary, you fricking mouthbreather. Trump won. I don’t give 2 fricks about Russian Facebook pages. Just objectively the EC doesn’t make sense anymore.
5. You wouldn’t give 2 fricks about this if Trump won the popular vote. I also Think he will get an incumbent bump and win the popular vote in 2020.
2. The constitution AS IS allows states to decide how their electors vote. No real rules there.
3. There wasn’t a crisis when half the states switched to popular votes to decide who their EC votes would go to. that’s not in the constitution. And somehow we survived.
4. Didn’t vote for Hillary, you fricking mouthbreather. Trump won. I don’t give 2 fricks about Russian Facebook pages. Just objectively the EC doesn’t make sense anymore.
5. You wouldn’t give 2 fricks about this if Trump won the popular vote. I also Think he will get an incumbent bump and win the popular vote in 2020.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 1:02 am to Green Chili Tiger
Birds in search of a cage.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 1:09 am to SammyTiger
quote:Still true today. Though not over slavery, most don’t want an entire election decided by essentially five urban areas of the country.
were from lave states that didn't want a president elected by an more populated abolitionist north.
quote:As long as one party has a lock on the most populated areas—it’s a partisan issue. Good grief.
this is not a partisan issue, unless the only reason you don't want a popular vote is that you think your party wont win.
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