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re: Neocons claim NATO can defeat Russia in 3 days. Have they lost their mind?

Posted on 11/17/24 at 5:59 pm to
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 5:59 pm to
Up until the fall if the wall maybe.

But we never said we could roll over the Russians in three days either.

In fact, we would have likely had to use tacts to stop them.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:02 pm to
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Hitler and Napoleon failed but we're going to do it in less than a week?
A few things have changed since Hitler, who made it to Moscow considerably faster than Napoleon because…a few things had changed since Napoleon rode his horse through Russia.

We could indeed defeat Russia in three days, but we would have to go nuclear. And the US would probably survive that with few, if any losses. But obviously that won’t happen, because no one would take responsibility for killing 50 million Russians.

In a conventional war we would certainly beat Russia but it would take a couple of years, unless we have fancy weapons we don’t know about.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:11 pm to
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Take a guess on how long an Abrams tank can roll around the battlefield without more fuel. Tell me...what's your guess?

Yes but unlike in Hitler's and Napoleon's day we can just bring more field to them from much further range.....
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Troops need resupply every couple days, planes need resupply every few hours. To fight a war you must have a continuous stream of re-supply efforts. There's a reason we say tactics are for amateurs, logistics are for professionals.

Sure it does but we now live in the world of 24 hour delivery. Planes can fly much further, carry more, deploy and refuel different ways.

Ww2 p51 mustang had 1000 miles combat range.
Douglas c-47 skytrain had a range of 1600 miles. Was the best supply craft carrier of the day. Our best planes today can go well over 10k miles. That's over 10x increase in our range.



Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:13 pm to
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At this stage in the game, there are valid arguments that Russia should nuke Kyiv and show the entire world what nuclear war will be like.


there are no valid arguments for nuking Kyiv.
Posted by Barbados
Member since Nov 2024
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:13 pm to
These fricks really want another forever war
Posted by blue_morrison
Member since Jan 2013
5914 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:16 pm to
Yes and even the supply aircraft and ships need service and refueling at some point. The line goes all the way home.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:18 pm to
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Yes and even the supply aircraft and ships need service and refueling at some point. The line goes all the way home.

Correct but it's certainly better than what Napoleon had or what Hitler had access to. Supplies can arrive much faster, in much larger quantities and not force you to defend your flank of a supply wagon train/train.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:26 pm to
I don't know about 3 days. But conventionally we could wipe them out in a head to head and it would not take very long comparatively. The Western part of Russia is flat mostly, so geographic advantages go away.

The Russians so far have proven overall unable to truly master the integration of air and land forces whereas that is what NATO thrives on. We pound from the air which gives our land forces cover to get into position to move offensively. If this were mountainous terrain, I think we are much more limited

But 3 days is very much unrealistic. But with our airpower we could hurt them greatly. Also in an artillery duel, if we know where there forces are we can be incredibly effective.

However, our logistics capability is remarkeable. We can get supplies into position in impressive fashion and continue it. As Yamamoto once said, you really do not understand the awesome industrial capacity of the United States.

I'm not sure Americans do either
Posted by hbkyle
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 6:59 pm to
“Now for the opposing viewpoint we go to Napolean and Hitler. Could you tell us your thoughts on easy victories in Russia?”
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 9:43 pm to
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there are no valid arguments for nuking Kyiv.


I agree. What I would rather see the retaliation method used be similar to Israeli tactics whereas a few prominent leaders are removed. These decision makers have lost their minds in an effort to profit off of war.
Posted by DyeHardDylan
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 9:53 pm to
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Neocons claim NATO can defeat Russia in 3 days.


Sounds like a good idea if your strategy is to extinguish all life on earth
Posted by TheFolker
Member since Aug 2011
5440 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 9:56 pm to
Why did we spend 20 years in Afghanistan if we’re capable of defeating Russian in 3 days?
This post was edited on 11/17/24 at 9:57 pm
Posted by Lord of the Hogs
Member since Sep 2023
3570 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:19 pm to
Ukraine has been using “NATO tactics “ against Russian forces. They have largely failed.
Posted by Jack Carter
Member since Sep 2018
12200 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:26 pm to
Why woujd NATO attack russua? Russis is not doing anything to NATO or any nato country.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
10038 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:29 pm to
If I could push a button to kill just one single, solitary Russian soldier...I wouldnt do it. Let the Russians have Ukraine. If they were invading Poland, itd be a different story. Poles arent Russian. Ukraine is a made up country there just to siphon US taxpayer dollars and launder it back to our politicians.
Posted by FreddieMac
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Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:32 pm to
Nazis thought the same, they are nuts.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:39 pm to
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Comparatively for how fast a military can move now and how we don't need a long supply line of troops or have to rely on immediate resources to supply said troops on ground it's a bit different comparison to today's military


Are you suggesting we can be at Russia without taking it with foot soldiers?
Posted by LSUFreek
Greater New Orleans
Member since Jan 2007
15887 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:41 pm to
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there are valid arguments that Russia should nuke Kyiv


Puin's mother is from Kyiv. He's stated multiple times, pre-war, that the biggest disappointment after the breakup of the USSR that Kyiv is no longer a part of Russia. He's not nuking Kyiv. Kyiv will likely end up as part of Russia in a peace deal. That's what this whole war is all about.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19123 posts
Posted on 11/17/24 at 10:50 pm to
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Neocons claim NATO can defeat Russia in 3 days.

Absent nuclear weapons, this is actually correct. I'm not in favor of it by any stretch, but NATO could go from Berlin to Moscow in 72 hours if we were so inclined.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 11/17/24 at 11:21 pm to
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Are you suggesting we can be at Russia without taking it with foot soldiers?

I'm suggesting even with foot soldiers that were far more nimble than Napoleon or Hitler's army and have much greater resupply capabilities than they did.
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