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re: My problem with the Trump wall: it's solving an imaginary problem
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:38 am to Powerman
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:38 am to Powerman
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A bunch of emotional morons here who don't care about facts
What facts have you presented that nullify the massive net costs to our infrastructure and economy? These are not doctors, lawyers, engineers, coders, or even McDonalds level employees since they don't even speak English. We have our own, existing economically-challenged actual US citizens. We don't need more drain.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:38 am to Powerman
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Illegal border crossings in the year 2000 : 1,676,438
Illegal border crossings in the year 2017 : 310,531
Yes, it has gotten slower in 2017, but that is because the economy has been slow as well. So, let's just say it's about 500,000 ILLEGALS crossing the border per year in ten years that's 5 MILLION ILLEGALS, not to mention the children they have that are now "citizens". It's a huge burden on tax payers therefor yes it is still a problem.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:38 am to Old Sarge
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That’s almost a million criminal aliens every 3 years, consuming our federal funds
The Wall will not stop it, or even cut it in half
The expensive war on __________never works.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:39 am to stickly
quote:You see a drain, Powerman sees a vote for a democrat.
We have our own, existing economically-challenged actual US citizens. We don't need more drain.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:40 am to Powerman
Liberals away say the wall will not work but they are dead set against it . If really will not work why not let republicans have tha wall for something you want ?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:40 am to Powerman
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A bunch of emotional morons here who don't care about facts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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will not stop it, or even cut it in half
As someone that lives on the border, I disagree
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:41 am to Draconian Sanctions
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You're trying to apply logic to a situation in which many people here are attached emotionally as right wing media has been fueling the false narrative that immigrants are the reason blue collar jobs are trending downward for years now. That keeps these people in fear of the "other" and as such they are easy to control.
The same goes for you, my child. Be strong and fight your true stupid nature. Be strong and resist your own stupidity and resist your own ignorant temptation to ignore problems that exist, and to invent problems where none exist.
This will be difficult for you, my son. But, have faith. You can rise above your own stupidity, if you try.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:41 am to Powerman
America is suffering from a Mexican overdose and the wall is the narcan that will save us
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:41 am to Draconian Sanctions
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current status is a 75% decrease trend, if it starts spiking back up then it would be appropriate to look at other things we can do.
Still 300,000 people coming in close to 1,000 per day where we have no idea who they are or what they are bringing.
You sound like someone who up to 9/10 said everything was fine and then on 9/12 said "why weren't cockpits more secure".
I want the number as close to 0 as possible and a wall will get us closer to 0 than sticking our heads in the sand.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:42 am to Old Sarge
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As someone that lives on the border, I disagree
The way to stop migration is to cut demand.
The Wall is a 16th century solution to a modern problem
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:43 am to Powerman
Saying this problem is solved is like saying the deficit problem is solved when it was reduced from 800 billion to 400 billion
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:43 am to Powerman
It’s pointless to try and bucket all of the water out of a boat if you haven’t fixed the hole that’s in the side of the boat.
You have to get the wall built before you can successfully get rid of all of the illegals that are already here.
You have to get the wall built before you can successfully get rid of all of the illegals that are already here.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:43 am to Powerman
I had something different in mind. That might be true also.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:44 am to Errerrerrwere
If we had open borders, net number of people crossing the border would reach zero once the advantages of crossing the border are no more than the advantages of staying home.
The economy has been slow for the last 10 years. Illegal immigration has slowed in the last 10 years. Coincidence? I think not.
They come here for jobs. The economy is going to start smoking again, thanks, in large part to our current POTUS. With that will come an uptick in illegal immigration. What's so difficult to understand about that?
Lets get the wall in place now. If the economy starts to heat up, we may need more workers. Then we can at least control who is coming in.
This will be beneficial to the immigrants, as well. They will be paid market rates.
The economy has been slow for the last 10 years. Illegal immigration has slowed in the last 10 years. Coincidence? I think not.
They come here for jobs. The economy is going to start smoking again, thanks, in large part to our current POTUS. With that will come an uptick in illegal immigration. What's so difficult to understand about that?
Lets get the wall in place now. If the economy starts to heat up, we may need more workers. Then we can at least control who is coming in.
This will be beneficial to the immigrants, as well. They will be paid market rates.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:44 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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Still 300,000 people coming in close to 1,000 per day where we have no idea who they are or what they are bringing.
How many other countries let you just walk across the border and set up shop illegally?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Well I've brought that up as a compromise to not building the wall but the left refuses to even address it. So here we are with an imperfect solution.
The way to stop migration is to cut demand.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Yep I am for a "comprehensive" illegal immigration program, everything from the wall to hammering businesses that hire illegals, landlords that rent to them. The whole chalupa.
The way to stop migration is to cut demand.
The Wall is a 16th century solution to a modern problem
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The way to stop migration is to cut demand.
So your only viable solutions are:
1/ Make Mexico a superpower with a world-leading education system, massive economy, powerful military, tech hub of the world
Or...
2/ Make the US worse than Mexico
Yeah, I don't think I'm into either of those. Let's build a wall.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 10:46 am to GatorReb
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if you haven’t fixed the hole that’s in the side of the boat.
As long as people are hiring, they will come
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