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re: My problem with the Trump wall: it's solving an imaginary problem

Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:02 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:02 am to
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Imagine you have a house with no doors


Ridiculous comparison and not worth the effort.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173381 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:04 am to
I have a question for you then. Name any other scenario in politics where you would see the numbers trending in such a favorable direction for over a decade where you would recommend a massive big government solution to be implemented at this juncture.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:05 am to
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Would you say that it is improving or worsening in that situation?
I have cancer but only 30% of the cancer I used to have so I'm not gonna bother spending anymore money on curing it.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:06 am to
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Name any other scenario in politics where you would see the numbers trending in such a favorable direction for over a decade where you would recommend a massive big government solution to be implemented at this juncture.
Name one where you wouldn't recommend massive government solution. Other than this one of course.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90311 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:07 am to
Long of stupid questions, short on answers, nice work Powerputz.
Posted by stickly
Asheville, NC
Member since Nov 2012
2338 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:08 am to
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Ridiculous comparison and not worth the effort.


On a micro-level it is literally exactly the same. *Literally*, as in *exactly*. We have a big house we call the United States and we have a large group of uninvited guests that are shitting on the couch and eating all of the food in the fridge to the extent that we cannot adequately provide for the house's real residents. And all we need to do is stop the uninvited guests... Doors are really great for keeping unwanted people out of a house. I bet you have doors on your house.

This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 11:12 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:10 am to
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At the national level, the rise in unauthorized immigrants from countries other than Mexico was driven mainly by an increase in those from Central America, Asia and sub-Saharan Africa. The number of unauthorized immigrants born in India, for example, grew by about 130,000 from 2009 to 2014, to an estimated 500,000. Many unauthorized immigrants from these nations arrived with legal status and overstayed their visas, according to Department of Homeland Security statistics.






One thing the Wall will increase is the number of permenant illegal immigrants since most Mexica immigrants move back and forth. They'll just come on visa and stay.
Posted by Ingloriousbastard
Member since May 2015
917 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:11 am to
The wall is so so, but with how liberals want to give benefits (something we can’t really afford to do even right now) the government has a vested interested in keeping this in check.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173381 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:13 am to
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I have cancer but only 30% of the cancer I used to have so I'm not gonna bother spending anymore money on curing it.


No the analogy would be you switching treatments
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:13 am to
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On a micro-level it is literally exactly the same.


Not in the world most of us live, no.

Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90311 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:14 am to
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No the analogy would be you switching treatments

Why?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:16 am to
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I have a question for you then.


Wants to dodge questions for 3 pages. Then, responds with..........no answer.......but a question.

Nice try dude. Wanna Try again. I think the below summarizes stuff some people have asked.

1. Why is 310K ok? Explain beyond quoting population.

2. What's driving the trend?

3. If you can't answer 2, how do you know the "trend" isn't merely a corollary to something else?

4. Absent knowing 2 or 3, do you think trends must continue?

I'm sure there are others you've ducked. But, we can start there.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:16 am to
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I have cancer but only 30% of the cancer I used to have so I'm not gonna bother spending anymore money on curing it.
He ignored this one way back.

P'man style
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:17 am to
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but with how liberals want to give benefits (something we can’t really afford to do even right now) the government has a vested interested in keeping this in check.


No school
No benefits
No jobs

They will stay away or leave when visa expires.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:19 am to
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No the analogy would be you switching treatments Why?


Sheesh. You guys let that moron snow you.

He wanted to get away from your questions so, he laid out the softball and you swung at it.

He wants to pretend that the "trend" is being caused by some effort(treatment) towards immigration.......hence, why would you change if that were the case?..........but, has dutifully spent multiple pages avoiding all questions regarding what this miraculous cause is!.

Now, he pulled you in.

Don't say I didn't warn you.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298305 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:21 am to
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No the analogy would be you switching treatments


In their defense this is exactly what they are doing with the wall
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90311 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:21 am to
Naw I am going to keep asking him questions he won't answer no matter how far he descends into irrelevancies.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:22 am to
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RogerTheShrubber
I support basically every idea you have regarding disincentivizing illegal immigration.

It's just not relevant to P'man's stupid OP.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:23 am to
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Naw I am going to keep asking him questions he won't answer no matter how far he descends into irrelevancies.


The upcoming dodge to my 4 questions is going to be glorious.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90311 posts
Posted on 4/5/18 at 11:23 am to
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The upcoming dodge to my 4 questions is going to be glorious.

Powerputz will return in a page or so.
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