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MIT Research Paper:Many Covid-1984 Skeptics Are More Informed Than Their Political Critics
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:28 pm
MIT researchers ‘infiltrate’ a Covid-1984 skeptic community and reach the conclusion that many skeptics excel at data analysis & fact based empiricism.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2101.07993.pdf
“Most fundamentally, the groups we studied believe that science is a process, and not an institution.....Indeed, anti-maskers often reveal themselves to be more sophisticated in their understanding of how scientific knowledge is socially constructed than their ideological adversaries, who espouse naïve realism about the ‘objective’ truth of public health data...”
https://twitter.com/commieleejones/status/1391754155782508547
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2101.07993.pdf
“Most fundamentally, the groups we studied believe that science is a process, and not an institution.....Indeed, anti-maskers often reveal themselves to be more sophisticated in their understanding of how scientific knowledge is socially constructed than their ideological adversaries, who espouse naïve realism about the ‘objective’ truth of public health data...”
https://twitter.com/commieleejones/status/1391754155782508547
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Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:30 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Nah dawg. We are all neanderthals.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:33 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Wait until they infiltrate election skeptics
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:36 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
“Most fundamentally, the groups we studied believe that science is a process, and not an institution.....Indeed, anti-maskers often reveal themselves to be more sophisticated in their understanding of how scientific knowledge is socially constructed than their ideological adversaries, who espouse naïve realism about the ‘objective’ truth of public health data...”
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:40 pm to Paddyshack
quote:
“Most fundamentally, the groups we studied believe that science is a process, and not an institution.....Indeed, anti-maskers often reveal themselves to be more sophisticated in their understanding of how scientific knowledge is socially constructed than their ideological adversaries, who espouse naïve realism about the ‘objective’ truth of public health data...”
I said this in the OT vaccine pusher thread and they did not like that at all.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:41 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:44 pm to Comic_Tiger
All you need to know is that not a single US public health group has studied the effects of non-pharmaceutical interventions on the infection rate.
Or you can look at Fauci praising Cuomo and Whitmer who have had abysmal health outcomes relative to the rest of the country.
They don’t care about outcomes.
Or you can look at Fauci praising Cuomo and Whitmer who have had abysmal health outcomes relative to the rest of the country.
They don’t care about outcomes.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:45 pm to Toomer Deplorable
It is quite interesting how this has all played out and you can see similar things here.
Research can be presented that presents a data point. The poster can actually just post the research, without commentary. What follows?
Name calling.
It befuddles me that someone can let their agenda get in front of facts when the facts don't align with their agenda.
Research can be presented that presents a data point. The poster can actually just post the research, without commentary. What follows?
Name calling.
It befuddles me that someone can let their agenda get in front of facts when the facts don't align with their agenda.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 1:46 pm to Toomer Deplorable
The quote about not enough info given to contextualize the severity of the pandemic is right on the money. What does 2021 look like with 2 more uniform data points
Died from Covid/Died with Covid
% Symptomatic/% Asymptomatic
Would the hysteria still be there? I think the draconian measures still take place but I think the overall mental toll on the country would have been somewhat abated.
I won't even get into things like - If you test positive and then test again negative, are you 1 Covid case or 2? If you test positive then retest positive, are you 1 Covid case or 2?
Died from Covid/Died with Covid
% Symptomatic/% Asymptomatic
Would the hysteria still be there? I think the draconian measures still take place but I think the overall mental toll on the country would have been somewhat abated.
I won't even get into things like - If you test positive and then test again negative, are you 1 Covid case or 2? If you test positive then retest positive, are you 1 Covid case or 2?
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:04 pm to Toomer Deplorable
This paper does not say what you think it says.
Admittedly, I only read the implications and conclusions, put it pretty much says that well funded disinformation campaigns use data visualization technics to show minor flaws in how data is reported to gain support from openly skeptical people. Its states that because the media, papers, health officials do not do a great job of explaining uncertainty within data/studies, that uncertainty is used to discredit those studies or data graphs by disinformation groups.
I guess its a complement because the papers says you are skeptical, but it also says that disinformation groups are using that skepticism and level of uncertainty in data to make it political and get groups intrenched in their position where they are much less likely to let there mind be changed.
I will say that this paper is highly critical of the media and public health officials, the paper basically states that they are doing everything wrong to try and convince skeptical people that masks and vaccines will help. One big thing they said was tying anti maskers to white supremacists is like the worst thing they could have possibly done, but they did it (likely to try and win the election).
Admittedly, I only read the implications and conclusions, put it pretty much says that well funded disinformation campaigns use data visualization technics to show minor flaws in how data is reported to gain support from openly skeptical people. Its states that because the media, papers, health officials do not do a great job of explaining uncertainty within data/studies, that uncertainty is used to discredit those studies or data graphs by disinformation groups.
I guess its a complement because the papers says you are skeptical, but it also says that disinformation groups are using that skepticism and level of uncertainty in data to make it political and get groups intrenched in their position where they are much less likely to let there mind be changed.
I will say that this paper is highly critical of the media and public health officials, the paper basically states that they are doing everything wrong to try and convince skeptical people that masks and vaccines will help. One big thing they said was tying anti maskers to white supremacists is like the worst thing they could have possibly done, but they did it (likely to try and win the election).
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:10 pm to Toomer Deplorable
I read through a lot of it and they arent really saying who is rt and wrong but they point out the CDC saying dont wear masks and then coming back to wearing masks is also a reason skepticism gets fueled and why people want unbiased data to look at and full transparency when its clearly not being given.
They go into that these groups specifically point out they try to get as much bias out of the data as possible. And were successful in lobbying like Texas that had aback log of 1 million tests. They want accurate transparent data, the policies our governments are making arent from accurate and transparent data.
Grabage in garbage out.
No one should be against this.
quote:
Admittedly, I only read the implications and conclusions, put it pretty much says that well funded disinformation campaigns use data visualization technics to show minor flaws in how data is reported to gain support from openly skeptical people. Its states that because the media, papers, health officials do not do a great job of explaining uncertainty within data/studies, that uncertainty is used to discredit those studies or data graphs by disinformation groups.
They go into that these groups specifically point out they try to get as much bias out of the data as possible. And were successful in lobbying like Texas that had aback log of 1 million tests. They want accurate transparent data, the policies our governments are making arent from accurate and transparent data.
Grabage in garbage out.
No one should be against this.
This post was edited on 5/11/21 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:11 pm to Comic_Tiger
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I said this in the OT vaccine pusher thread and they did not like that at all.
Except vaccine skeptics have no data to support their position. It's all fear-mongering nonsense and case reports of 1 in a million incidents.
Masking is a different story, though. Even pro-masking scientists have came out and said the masking has went way too far and become almost a religion.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:14 pm to the808bass
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Or you can look at Fauci praising Cuomo and Whitmer who have had abysmal health outcomes relative to the rest of the country.
They don’t care about outcomes.
Oh they care about outcomes ….just not outcomes that fall into the America First category.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:19 pm to AUstar
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Except vaccine skeptics have no data to support their position. It's all fear-mongering nonsense and case reports of 1 in a million incidents.
Masking is a different story, though. Even pro-masking scientists have came out and said the masking has went way too far and become almost a religion.
This is in the report too. Some skeptics see the data and it doesnt add up. But see them pushing a vaccine that would make over 100 billion for these companies. And that alone makes them look through the data more. not that vaccines are bad, but purely profit driven so some of the data pushed is based on making this profit.
And then goes on to point out pharmaceutical companies and tobacco companies have manipulated data in the past to make money. So why not do it again?
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:20 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Science is a process, and not an institution. I gotta remember that line.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:32 pm to Stuckinthe90s
quote:
Admittedly, I only read the implications and conclusions, put it pretty much says that well funded disinformation campaigns use data visualization technics to show minor flaws in how data is reported to gain support from openly skeptical people. Its states that because the media, papers, health officials do not do a great job of explaining uncertainty within data/studies, that uncertainty is used to discredit those studies or data graphs by disinformation groups.
Of course, MIT would harp on the "importance" of "media, papers, health officials" in "explaining uncertainty within data/studies". That's what they're selling.
Some of us are educated and can read and understand the original research papers submitted for peer review.
We are educated.
We see the flaws.
We see the misinformation from the "experts".
We are not "Skeptic" in the modern sense of the word.
quote:
skepticism:
a skeptical attitude; doubt as to the truth of something.
We are Skeptic in the classic sense.
quote:
skepticism:
Skepticism is generally a questioning attitude or doubt towards one or more putative instances of knowledge which are asserted to be mere belief or dogma.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:34 pm to the808bass
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They don’t care about outcomes.
Because Pravda will run cover for them gleefully.
Progstains eat it up.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:35 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:
science is a process, and not an institution
Well, no shite.
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:35 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 5/11/21 at 2:42 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Using data for decision making and being data literate obviously resonated with the MIT researchers.
Wonder why.
Wonder why.
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