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re: Mike Pence comes out against the SAVE Act saying this is a state issue
Posted on 2/6/26 at 6:16 am to TenWheelsForJesus
Posted on 2/6/26 at 6:16 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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He's so principled that he's willing to let our right to representation through fair elections be trampled.
He's so principled that he would let communists set up a fake election system that will keep them in perpetual power.
This post was edited on 2/6/26 at 6:25 am
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Posted on 2/6/26 at 6:24 am to MrLSU
Then everything should be a state issue.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 6:29 am to TrueTiger
He's still useful to the deep state
This post was edited on 2/6/26 at 8:28 am
Posted on 2/6/26 at 8:27 am to MrLSU
So Mike Pence is suddenly an advocate of state’s rights? I wonder if he supports nullification and secession?
I think we all know the answer to that. Pence is right for the wrong reasons.
The main problem is Federal overreach, yet trying to secure election integrity is the symptom, not the malady. If the Federal government operated largely within its constitutionally enumerated powers, the prospect of corruption at the state level influencing a federal election through electoral manipulation would be of limited practical consequence and such corruption would have little direct effect on the daily lives of most citizens.
Yet that constitutional equilibrium no longer exists; federal statutes and regulations extend across nearly every domain of civic and private life. This includes both the most mundane matters — such as the flush rate our commodes — to the most consequential — such as our healthcare choices.
Under these conditions, the manipulation of federal elections by a small number of corrupt or unaccountable states carries profound national consequences. Elections shaped by blatant theft in distant states now determine policies that affect Americans in all states.
The principle of strict state control over elections is thus defensible only when accompanied by a corresponding restraint on federal authority, consistent with constitutional design. Absent that restraint, electoral misconduct at the state level ceases to be a localized pathology and instead becomes a mechanism for imposing increasing authoritarian control without voter consent.
Without restoring constitutional limits on federal power, “states’ rights” over elections become not a safeguard of liberty, but a convenient cover for consolidating authority through fraud. Is this contradictory?
Without a doubt. Yet this inherent contradiction only underscores the reality that some form of political separation between Red and Blue States is the logical solution to the deepening crisis.
I think we all know the answer to that. Pence is right for the wrong reasons.
The main problem is Federal overreach, yet trying to secure election integrity is the symptom, not the malady. If the Federal government operated largely within its constitutionally enumerated powers, the prospect of corruption at the state level influencing a federal election through electoral manipulation would be of limited practical consequence and such corruption would have little direct effect on the daily lives of most citizens.
Yet that constitutional equilibrium no longer exists; federal statutes and regulations extend across nearly every domain of civic and private life. This includes both the most mundane matters — such as the flush rate our commodes — to the most consequential — such as our healthcare choices.
Under these conditions, the manipulation of federal elections by a small number of corrupt or unaccountable states carries profound national consequences. Elections shaped by blatant theft in distant states now determine policies that affect Americans in all states.
The principle of strict state control over elections is thus defensible only when accompanied by a corresponding restraint on federal authority, consistent with constitutional design. Absent that restraint, electoral misconduct at the state level ceases to be a localized pathology and instead becomes a mechanism for imposing increasing authoritarian control without voter consent.
Without restoring constitutional limits on federal power, “states’ rights” over elections become not a safeguard of liberty, but a convenient cover for consolidating authority through fraud. Is this contradictory?
Without a doubt. Yet this inherent contradiction only underscores the reality that some form of political separation between Red and Blue States is the logical solution to the deepening crisis.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 8:29 am to reelingintheyears
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How was this douche ever VP?
The line of horrible appointments/hires by Trump is a mile long at this point.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 8:33 am to MrLSU
Pence is a mouthpiece for the IC …..
Posted on 2/6/26 at 8:37 am to ronricks
Trump will throw his whole administration under the bus in due time.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 8:45 am to onepiecemayne
Why would Trump do that when he has the best admonition all of history? Pence is a nobody that will be a footnote. When the election fraud comes out here soon he will be looked at as a few state enabler instead of doing the right thing. If democrats weren’t demon possessed I might understand his stance - but we are in an all out war and you through out 1980s norms and fight to kill. The gop still doesn’t understand this .
Posted on 2/6/26 at 8:46 am to MrLSU
people are still giving that POS a mic to hear what he has to say? SMH
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:09 am to MrLSU
MP has severe TDS
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:16 am to MrLSU
Traitor Pence
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:20 am to MrLSU
It should be the states but they are not competent and how is it right for corrupt states to negate votes and representation of legitimate citizens.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:20 am to MrLSU
They love state's rights when it suits them.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:28 am to Vacherie Saint
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Federal elections are a state issue?
Pence is intentionally conflating state and federal elections.
What's his motivation? Who is instructing Pence to help tank the SAVE Act (which requires voter ID to register to vote in federal elections).?
Meanwhile, over 80% of the electorate support this legislation including 71% of Democrats. It's easy legislation to pass from the people's point of view. But very difficult in the halls of congress. Who is leading the charge to tank this legislation? Apparently they are a lot more powerful than the people who elect our Senators.
This post was edited on 2/6/26 at 9:30 am
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:41 am to GumboPot
These cowards all had a hand in stealing the election.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:44 am to MrLSU
Pence was/ is always a deep state sleeper agent.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 9:47 am to MrLSU
Judas Iscariot Pence shows his face again, only to side with the Establishment Uniparty again.
I'd say I've never lost respect for a politician so quickly before, but I'd be lying because I'm also familiar with Mitch McTurtle, Lindsey Graham, James Comer, JD Lankford, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Dan Crenshaw and Mike Johnson.
I'd say I've never lost respect for a politician so quickly before, but I'd be lying because I'm also familiar with Mitch McTurtle, Lindsey Graham, James Comer, JD Lankford, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Dan Crenshaw and Mike Johnson.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 10:54 am to MrLSU
Of course he did. fricking closet case weasel fig.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 10:54 am to reelingintheyears
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How was this douche ever VP?
Trump team tapped into the evangelical vote with Pence to win in 2016.
Posted on 2/6/26 at 10:55 am to MrLSU
That traitor certified a fraudulent election. Of course he's against this.
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