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re: Meloni Condemns Fascist Nostalgia Amid Scandal in Her Party’s Youth Wing
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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I don't think Schedule F is going to pass Constitutional muster, so probably not.
What grounds? Congress sets employment structure for government employees?
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Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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They're not pushing to get Congress to rescind this power.
So you’re mad they doing something that has a 50% chance at success instead of doing something that has a .1% chance of success?
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:38 am to Gifman
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You constantly citing “project 25,
Constantly?
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which is a media ploy to distract you from knowing there’s a vegetable in the WH is proof you consume mainstream, leftist news and lap it up like a dog.
So you're making shite up.
I have been critical of Biden's mental state for some time.
You are literally just making shite up, here. The entire post.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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The bureaucracy is supposed to be apolitical and not easily replaced by partisans.
Well that's already happened, so not sure what your issue is.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:39 am to Turbeauxdog
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What grounds?
It's going to require a law via Congress.
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Congress sets employment structure for government employees?
Civil service protections are via Congressional statute. It's not just some executive policy that can be switched.
*ETA: It's been 15 years so my knowledge of the APA and Due Process with federal jobs is hazy, but I think there is also a Due Process/property right associated with these jobs.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 8:40 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:40 am to nugget
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So you’re mad
I'm not mad. Why start off with a lie?
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they doing something that has a 50% chance at success instead of doing something that has a .1% chance of success?
You're bad at estimating risk, too.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Who.was worse, the facists or the communists?
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:45 am to AU86
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Who.was worse, the facists or the communists?
They were both very terrible.
Communism just lasted longer because of variables related to WW2 and the USSR being on the winning side.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Stop with the obsession with Obama. He hasn't been President in almost 8 years. c. They didn't engage in anything like Project 2025 to populate agencies in this manner. That's a new idea from MAGA.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:48 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:This preceded 2016.
Histrionics, especially given the shift in "conservative" politics since 2016
Hell, in 2016, the only departments that supported Trump at higher margins than Biden then happened to be defense and DHS, which, now, leans Biden in support.
quote:Perfectly acceptable.
I mean just look at this entire scheme. They're not pushing to get Congress to rescind this power. They are just trying to get their people into the roles to wield the power.
The odds of decreasing the size of the federal government are slim to none. I don’t live in fantasy land.
I will gladly accept not having Democratic political operatives dominating the federal workforce.
quote:Like I said, there is zero evidence of that being a viable option over my 36 years of life.
If you want to solve the problem of big government, then you have to make government smaller.
I’ll take the next best option.
quote:What you advocate for isn’t going to happen.
Same as the criminal stuff with Trump. If you want to stop wanton and biased prosecutions, strip power from law enforcement and prosecutors and give citizens their freedom (via a more limited government).
Your moral preening is merely an attempt to prevent one side from engaging in the tactics that the other side has used for years.
It is hamstringing to maintain a sense of moral superiority, which is largely useless.
You sound like the Mitt Romneys and Kasichs of the GOP, without the hypocrisy, I guess, although I don’t know your true motives.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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MAGA is all about bigger government and intrusion.
Trump reduced regulation.
Getting intrusive government out of the people's lives is a weird way to be fascist.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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You're bad at estimating risk, too.
But you converse with such well educated people that you are the one that understands what’s going to happen. I couldn’t imagine how pompous you would be if you were actually top 5% intelligence and you were able to get into a good school. My word.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 8:54 am to SlowFlowPro
What point do you think you are making?
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:00 am to Scruffy
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This preceded 2016.
No. "Conservatives" promoting huge intervention into the economy and regulation started with Trump.
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Perfectly acceptable.
If you are promoting big government (see above).
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I will gladly accept not having Democratic political operatives dominating the federal workforce.
For 4 years. Then Gavin Newsome will get to fill the bureaucracy with actual leftist operatives for 8.
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I’ll take the next best option.
Giving Leftists more power, ultimately, is not the best option.
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What you advocate for isn’t going to happen.
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The odds of decreasing the size of the federal government are slim to none. I don’t live in fantasy land.
Your acceptance of Leftist policies due to "aw shucks" doesn't negate the impact of the policies you promote, nor does it promote actual conservatism.
To bring it back to OP, this myopia and abandoning core political principles is exactly why it emboldens actual extremists (This isn't just a right-political issue).
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Your moral preening is merely an attempt to prevent one side from engaging in the tactics that the other side has used for years.
a. I have principles and maintain them.
b. If the principles I actually believe in weren't important to those in MAGA land, they wouldn't promote the false avatar of being a "small government conservative". The desire for less government is still valuable enough for them to lie to themselves for 8 years.
c. The Left is better at this game than the right (and much better than MAGA). You are giving them a justification for their power grab, too. You're ceding any argument relating to decreasing power when they wield it.
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although I don’t know your true motives.
My political motives have been the same for 19 years on here: promoting freedom and limited government.
That gets me labeled a leftist by people who wear a mask of "small government" but melt down when I actually promote it (showing their true colors).
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:00 am to SlowFlowPro
Italy need you immediately try to make a connection to Trump on the first page.
So sad.
So sad.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:01 am to TrueTiger
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Trump reduced regulation.
Trump accepted GOPE policies in that area while promoting other regulations (like tariffs) and other attacks on free trade.
The GOPE is actually about less government in that realm. He promoted their tax cuts, too.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
If the hiring policy was pure meritocracy with no set asides for any identifiable group, this wouldn't be a problem.
This post was edited on 7/4/24 at 9:04 am
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:05 am to TrueTiger
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If the hiring policy was pure meritocracy will no set asides for any identifiable group, this wouldn't be a problem.
The fact that so many of these positions exist would still be a problem
The support of the Democratic party is more about pragmatism, b/c their jobs are safer with DEMs (compared to the traditional GOP policies of cutting the bureaucracy). If we replace these people with MAGA followers and the MAGA policy of protecting the regulatory state, they'll develop the same pragmatism, ultimately.
The solution is to cut the size/power of these agencies and that's via Congress.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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They didn't engage in anything like Project 2025 to populate agencies in this manner. That's a new idea from MAGA.
A new idea from MAGA???
This is the fundamental change we were sold by Obama.
This started with the military leadership / bureaucratic purges of Bill Clinton
We have cross dressing trannys in uniform making woke military policy and weaponized 3 letter agencies going after american citizens / opposition political supporters as a result.
Posted on 7/4/24 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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The solution is to cut the size/power of these agencies and that's via Congress.
Don't wait on Congress.
Just do like Melie and fire them.
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