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re: Louisiana lawmakers give final approval to permitless carry of concealed handguns
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:51 am to SlidellCajun
Posted on 2/29/24 at 8:51 am to SlidellCajun
Maybe i'm in the minority here, but have we all forgotten how completely stupid the population is? I am as distrustful of the government as the next guy, but i don't think the answer is letting people without a concealed carry permit, which requires one to undergo a form of training that at the minimum instills the gravity of carrying a gun and the responsibility it entails, is a good thing. There are too many stupid people who aren't responsible gun owners. I'm all for self protection, but i'm fearful that this will lead to innocent bystanders getting shot because the person carrying doesn't know how to handle a gun.
This isn't limited to concealed carry, but to open carry as well. I know it's not conservative of me, but i have no trust in my fellow citizen.
On the flip side, the predators carry regardless of laws. Evening the odds against a thug wanting to do harm is appropriate in my book.
I guess i'm conflicted. I don't trust LEO to be proactive. They're job is to react to a crime. I don't trust the average citizen to be smart enough to educate themselves on firearms, and i sure as shite don't trust criminals to not do criminal things.
I think i just talked myself into supporting permit-less concealed carry.
This isn't limited to concealed carry, but to open carry as well. I know it's not conservative of me, but i have no trust in my fellow citizen.
On the flip side, the predators carry regardless of laws. Evening the odds against a thug wanting to do harm is appropriate in my book.
I guess i'm conflicted. I don't trust LEO to be proactive. They're job is to react to a crime. I don't trust the average citizen to be smart enough to educate themselves on firearms, and i sure as shite don't trust criminals to not do criminal things.
I think i just talked myself into supporting permit-less concealed carry.
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Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:03 am to BugAC
Yeah may as well make it legal as this only affects the law abiding. The thugs you worry about mugging and killing your will carry concealed no matter what the law states as well that is what criminals do .
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:12 am to lsufan1971
Do you honestly believe that more thugs and knuckleheads legally carrying will make us safer?
In most cases, the law abiding citizens don’t have a chance to
reach for their gun. My wife and I were in our car at a stop sign and some thugs tried to jack us. One dude 3 feet away had a pistol pointed at my head. I hit the gas and the guy fired, hitting the window frame. We were blessed and lucky.
A pistol in my by my side would have done no good and I would have been shot along with my wife.
In most cases, the law abiding citizens don’t have a chance to
reach for their gun. My wife and I were in our car at a stop sign and some thugs tried to jack us. One dude 3 feet away had a pistol pointed at my head. I hit the gas and the guy fired, hitting the window frame. We were blessed and lucky.
A pistol in my by my side would have done no good and I would have been shot along with my wife.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:15 am to BugAC
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but i don't think the answer is letting people without a concealed carry permit, which requires one to undergo a form of training that at the minimum instills the gravity of carrying a gun and the responsibility it entails, is a good thing
The Louisiana CCW training instills no such thing, it's a check-the-box level training. I think the main thing here that you are missing, and you aren't alone, is that there should have never been any kind of concealed weapon permitting scheme to begin with. These laws were passed decades ago and had nothing to do with public safety or ensuring any level of competence in carrying a weapon. They simply were a way of adding a barrier to an individual civil right for those deemed not worthy.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:18 am to VOR
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Do you honestly believe that more thugs and knuckleheads legally carrying will make us safer?
Thugs aren't legally carrying. Legality is of no concern to criminals. This is why you'll never understand the consequences of your own actions in regards to crime.
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In most cases, the law abiding citizens don’t have a chance to
reach for their gun.
Most victims of crime are women. Most violent criminals are men. I know you can't tell the difference between men and women, but a 220 lb. man doesn't have to sneak up on a 130 lb. woman. A gun in that 130 lb. woman's hand, however, is the great equalizer. But congrats on making predators great again.
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A pistol in my by my side would have done no good and I would have been shot along with my wife.
You're stupidly implying your specific scenario is the EXACT SAME for all victims of violent crime. While your particular scenario may not have helped in that situation, there are more scenarios not like yours, where if the victim was armed, they might be alive today.
You making a firearm illegal for law abiding citizens creates more victims. Good job!
This post was edited on 2/29/24 at 9:19 am
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:20 am to VOR
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Do you honestly believe that more thugs and knuckleheads legally carrying will make us safer?
You could look at the data of the other 27 states and find that in many cases the answer is yes. I know, you aren't terribly bright and you imagine your singular experience somehow representative of a population of millions but your ignorance-driven refrain has been proven wrong for decades.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:20 am to Major Dutch Schaefer
I know it's probably a simple google search, but I'm going to ask anyways. I know there are states that honor other state's CCL's, will this be similar in that the states that are going to a constitutional carry honor folks from other states that have constitutional carry? I will still carry regardless though.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:21 am to BugAC
So if you’re walking down the street and a guy steps out with a gun pointed at you, are you going to challenge him to a quick draw?
Good luck.
Good luck.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:22 am to Clames
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The Louisiana CCW training instills no such thing, it's a check-the-box level training.
No it is not. I haven't taken it, but my brother has. And he said one of the bigger things he took out of the class was it reinforced the gravity of the situation. If you have to pull your weapon, you are doing it with the intent to use deadly force, and you have a responsibility that if you fire that weapon, you hit what you are firing at, and not some kid in the background.
Remember that shooting in a mall a couple years back? Some thug pulled a gun and started shooting up a mall, and a guy (concealed carry holder i believe), pulled out his gun, had perfect aim, and killed the shooter. He was about 50-75 yards away from the suspect.
He had competence in carrying, holding, and firing a weapon. In a perfect world, that is what all armed citizens would have.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:24 am to VOR
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So if you’re walking down the street and a guy steps out with a gun pointed at you, are you going to challenge him to a quick draw?
Depends on the scenario. Again, you are trying to narrow down a criminal scenario to where the victim's only choice is to not react. How many scenarios do you think are like that?
How many scenarios was an innocent life saved because the potential victim did have a firearm to protect themselves?
Again, you want to create more victims. Why? Because you, personally, can't imagine an instance where the innocent might be able to successfully fight back? Pretty ignorant of you, don't you think?
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:28 am to VOR
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VOR
Also, how is your situational awareness? Maybe it's me, but i'm generally aware of the environment i am in. I know the potential danger zones to avoid. I know, with certainty, what people and scenarios to avoid. I try to familirarize myself with the exits whereever i'm at. If i'm in downtown NOLA, i rarely travel alone and don't seach out the seedy areas of town.
Just doing that, reduces your chance of being a victim. Even moreso if your are a competent carrier of a side arm.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 9:45 am to BugAC
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I haven't taken it, but my brother has.
Well I personally have taken the training and yes, it is that level of training. The actual shooting part of the class is nearly dismissive with how brief it is. The big thing your brother took away from that class is also printed in bold, often red, lettering in the first pages of every owners manual that ships with any new firearm.
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He had competence in carrying, holding, and firing a weapon. In a perfect world, that is what all armed citizens would have.
Which did not come from any CCW course. Remember the guy in Texas who aided a LEO and shot a guy from 100 yards away with a .357 magnum? That guy, like myself and some small percentage of others, are enthusiasts that shoot recreationally, seek additional training, etc. far beyond what is actually required. You can do your own homework but the list of common civilians who have successfully defended themselves or others with a firearm, despite only have the minimal formal training required for a permit, is vastly longer than those with extensive training.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 10:12 am to BugAC
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There are too many stupid people who aren't responsible gun owners. I'm all for self protection, but i'm fearful that this will lead to innocent bystanders getting shot because the person carrying doesn't know how to handle a gun.
I agree and will add that the concern isn’t exclusively in the HOW but the WHEN to use a gun.
There are a lot of people dumb to the appropriate situations to use a gun.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 10:16 am to BugAC
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Do you honestly believe that more thugs and knuckleheads legally carrying will make us safer?
Thugs aren't legally carrying.
If this bill is signed, they will be carrying legally.
I’m curious, what if someone open or conceal carries into a legislative session? Will they infringe upon your right and not let you in, or honor your constitutional right to carry?
Posted on 2/29/24 at 11:14 am to GoIrish02
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other of the 26 states as a law-abiding, permitless citizen today
No, not true, North Dakota, you must be a resident and also there are a few state that don’t have Constitutional carry but honor our CC license, so those states, you will need to obtain the CC license, same with ND, something that will be just a fee and no longer require a class. In the other 25 Constitutional carry states, you are right, you will not need anything.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:04 pm to SlidellCajun
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Over 2,500 guns were apprehended last year in New Orleans after cops stopped suspects for carrying without permit.
If it were concealed how would this work? "Oh look...maybe he has a gun without a permit. Let's search him.".
In short...what you said is bs.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:14 pm to Suntiger
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I’m curious, what if someone open or conceal carries into a legislative session?
Constitutional carry still has limits on where you can carry.
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:29 pm to el Gaucho
quote:This is perhaps to dumbest statement posted on this board today.
Not only will my fur babies be terrified on July 4th from all yall shooting fireworks but yall will be shooting guns too
Congratulations!
This post was edited on 3/1/24 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:38 pm to TigerVespamon
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This is perhaps to dumbest statement posted on this on this board today.
...and frick his fur babies
Posted on 2/29/24 at 12:56 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
I've actually seen some out there claiming that this bill will allow felons to carry concealed legally.
No. Just no.
And to the ignorant claiming they "fear for their children" because of this law....Oh, never mind.
This has always been the law of the land in Vermont- yet they have very little crime. Fewer criminals; less crime.
Perhaps we need to start cutting back on violent criminals instead of crying for tougher gun laws that only restrict the good in society.....I hope Landry keeps on pressing.
No. Just no.
And to the ignorant claiming they "fear for their children" because of this law....Oh, never mind.
This has always been the law of the land in Vermont- yet they have very little crime. Fewer criminals; less crime.
Perhaps we need to start cutting back on violent criminals instead of crying for tougher gun laws that only restrict the good in society.....I hope Landry keeps on pressing.
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