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re: Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry bans teaching of critical race theory in schools

Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:24 am to
Posted by rwestmore7
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:24 am to
Just because certain concepts from CRT might influence discussions about diversity and equity doesn’t mean CRT itself is being taught in schools. It’s like teaching kids about their constitutional rights, they learn about free speech and the right to bear arms, but that doesn’t mean they’re being taught advanced constitutional law. Similarly, teaching students about racism and equity helps them understand the world around them, but it’s not the same as teaching them CRT. Let’s not confuse the broader education with the specific academic theory.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:25 am to
You an hour ago

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That’s not what’s happening in K-12 schools, where the focus is on broader discussions about diversity, equity, and history.


Me: Crenshaw, perhaps the leading ambassador of CRT and intersectionality in its recent mainstream moment, tells allies like yourself that minimizing CRT's role is useless and does a disservice to the push for equity.

You, now:

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but that’s not what’s being directly taught in K-12 classrooms. The fact that you have to reach for academic discussions about CRT just shows how far removed it is from basic education about diversity and history.


What happened to equity? Can someone check on equity?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:26 am to
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Just because certain concepts from CRT might influence discussions about diversity and equity doesn’t mean CRT itself is being taught in schools.


It’s an outgrowth of critical studies. Go sell your dumb shite where people don’t know what you’re talking about. We’re full up here.
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:27 am to
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At the end of the day, in my opinion teaching kids about the realities of racism and its lasting impacts isn’t some secret plot to push CRT, it’s about giving them a complete education so we can do better as a society. If that makes you uncomfortable, maybe it’s worth asking why.
You’re free to teach your kids about white guilt and make them cucks like you, just leave our kids out of it.
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
1004 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:27 am to
It’s clear you’re misunderstanding the difference between teaching history and helping students understand its ongoing impact. Recognizing the effects of systemic racism isn’t about pushing a theory, it’s about acknowledging how historical events continue to shape our society today. Dismissing it as just a theory ignores the reality that these issues are still affecting people’s lives. If you think understanding history’s full impact is "retarded" maybe it’s time to rethink who’s actually failing to grasp the bigger picture.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:30 am to
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Luckily for you, I'm a white male and not a teacher, so your theory doesn't pan out


So you’re a limp wrist pussy, who lacks testosterone. I bet you don't have children and if you did, your such a weak man that you let your wife run all over you. How many white kids do you want to degrade daily so you get your pound of flesh?
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:30 am to
Aw the projection is so strong with you.
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:31 am to
Louisiana is always between 47-50 in public school education rank. It's because of CRT and I am proud that Gov Landry is finally going to do something about the public education crisis here in Louisiana....


I also have some ocean front property in Arizona I want to sell of at a cheap discount.
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
1004 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:32 am to
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your


you're (it's a contraction for you are)

You should really learn spelling and grammar before you try to tell us how to educate our kids...
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:32 am to
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Just because certain concepts from CRT might influence discussions about diversity and equity doesn’t mean CRT itself is being taught in schools. It’s like teaching kids about their constitutional rights, they learn about free speech and the right to bear arms, but that doesn’t mean they’re being taught advanced constitutional law. Similarly, teaching students about racism and equity helps them understand the world around them, but it’s not the same as teaching them CRT. Let’s not confuse the broader education with the specific academic theory.


Here's the thing, it's not a significantly broader academic theory. What you want to push on kids is the substantive fruit of CRT/critical pedagogy/Intersectionality, etc. These weren't some independently existing concepts and CRT just shined a new light on them. Feel free to go find me a bunch of academic papers (or curriculums) talking about diversity and equity concepts from the early 60s if you think you can

The second amendment is a thing. It is a thing that exists separately from con law studies in the academic setting and has existed as a topic through the various changes that have occurred in how constitutional law is approached throughout the history of American constitutional studies. Equity studies and what is being promoted in K-12 is not some independently derived thing that can be viewed through a CRT lens, it's a purely academic concept created out of and from the same community that brought us CRT.
Posted by Houag80
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:34 am to
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:35 am to
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Similarly, teaching students about racism and equity helps them understand the world around them,
What is your definition of “equity?”

My definition is equal outcome. That is impossible and should never be taught in schools.
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Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome.
This post was edited on 9/3/24 at 10:38 am
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:36 am to
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Recognizing the effects of systemic racism isn’t about pushing a theory, it’s about acknowledging how historical events continue to shape our society today. Dismissing it as just a theory ignores the reality that these issues are still affecting people’s lives.


"it's about acknowledging"

"ignores the reality"

But guys, it's not about pushing.
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
1004 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:37 am to
Well, it’s no surprise that you won’t find a lot of academic papers or curricula from the 60s talking about equity and diversity, the country was still busy fighting over whether minorities should even have basic rights. It’s kind of hard to teach about equity when entire populations were still being majorly oppressed. Maybe the reason these concepts weren’t in the classroom is because they were too busy being ignored in society. Thankfully, we’ve made some progress since then, and now it’s about time we address the gaps they left behind.
Posted by rwestmore7
Member since Nov 2007
1004 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:39 am to
Equity isn’t about guaranteeing equal outcomes for everyone, it’s about recognizing that people start from different places and may need different resources to have a fair shot at success. It’s not about making everyone the same, but about leveling the playing field so everyone has a chance to achieve their potential.

Teaching about equity in schools isn’t about pushing for some utopian idea of equal outcomes. It’s about helping students understand that fairness sometimes means giving more support to those who need it so that everyone has a real opportunity to succeed. It’s crucial for understanding how we create a society that values and supports all of its members, not just those who already have advantages.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:40 am to
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Well, it’s no surprise that you won’t find a lot of academic papers or curricula from the 60s talking about equity and diversity, the country was still busy fighting over whether minorities should even have basic rights. It’s kind of hard to teach about equity when entire populations were still being majorly oppressed. Maybe the reason these concepts weren’t in the classroom is because they were too busy being ignored in society. Thankfully, we’ve made some progress since then, and now it’s about time we address the gaps they left behind.


Correct, it's not a surprise. You could find plenty of academic discussion about any number of racial topics during the civil rights era, but not many about equity, because it's an academic concept created by radicals with an acknowledged marxist background.

What field are you in that you've been eaten up with this stuff (without actually having read the source material) if not K-12 teaching? I assume if you were in academia you'd have read it. College student? Human Resources?
Posted by bhtigerfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
33618 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:41 am to
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Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome.
This is impossible and will never happen.

Equality is possible and we strive for that constantly. Equity is not possible unless you oppress the majority of people.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:44 am to
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Equity isn’t about guaranteeing equal outcomes for everyone, it’s about recognizing that people start from different places and may need different resources to have a fair shot at success. It’s not about making everyone the same, but about leveling the playing field so everyone has a chance to achieve their potential.



So we'd agree that well-funded minority-majority public schools that receive more money and resources than better-performing mostly white counterparts but are failing by most metrics are nonetheless equitable?

Because we don't gauge equity on outputs but on the inputs, based on your assertion - right?
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
23921 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:44 am to
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Aw the projection is so strong with you.


Nah, I’m not looking to blame white children for all of the world’s ills like you and your communist ilk. You want to call children oppressors so that your ego feels better. Yet you will completely ignore other races and cultures who practiced slavery, including slavery that’s being committed today, since it doesn’t fit your narrative.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128846 posts
Posted on 9/3/24 at 10:44 am to
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It’s clear you’re misunderstanding the difference between teaching history and helping students understand its ongoing impact.


I understand that teaching a flawed Marxist theory as fact disguised as history is bullshite.
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