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re: Libertarianism is a cancer for the right
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:53 am to Harry Rex Vonner
Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:53 am to Harry Rex Vonner
You are one kooky fricker 
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Posted on 9/15/25 at 9:55 am to GeauxBurrow312
No. I'm a true conservative.
Eisenhower and Reagan.
you're a fricking mama's boy lying POS
Eisenhower and Reagan.
you're a fricking mama's boy lying POS
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:13 am to lsu777
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there are many things the right should take from libertarianism
1) stick to the constitution strictly
2) cut spending drastically
3) for foreign affairs follow constitution
So, be conservative. Got it.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:17 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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If Rand and Massie believe open borders are an assault on private property, then why do they constantly vote for less border security?
If you recall, they voted against those measures because they expanded executive branch powers.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:46 am to YouKnowImRight
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So, be conservative. Got it.
got a case of a conservative doing these things in the last decade?
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:50 am to YouKnowImRight
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So, be conservative. Got it.
As individuals, yes. As a collective, no. Because responsible adults don't get elected in large enough numbers to get legislation passed, so the few that do have to compromise to get anything done
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:52 am to VolSquatch
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Pointing out that corporations have an opportunity to seize a lot of power in the near future, and that Libertarian thinking will make that easier for them, is not leftism.
What do you believe the response to this situation should be? I imagine it will involve leftism (regulation of commerce and more government)
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Sure it does. You want to know what people the most impacted by immigration think about it? Look at election results from last year and how far border counties swung towards Trump. The number 1 issue for people in that election? Immigration.
Immigration *in our non-libertarian system.
There is nothing about immigration in a rational, libertarian system that would prevent a "pleasant, safe, desirable place"...unless we're talking non-political things.
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Maybe you should ask one of the millions of them living here.
Why? They came to a non-libertarian society with an ample social safety net. It has nothing to do with my question.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:54 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Correct. I am definitely a small-L libertarian. I don't agree with a lot of the big-L things, or I agree with them on paper but I understand the real world drawbacks.
I like Massie, but I agree even he lets his principles back him into a corner and force a bad decision. But I agree with him and Rand Paul on most issues.
I believe a blend of libertarian and conservative ideas is the best path for any government.
The problem is the tribalism and in/out group dynamics that have emerged in the right-populist shift in the US since 2016.
That's why when I brought up principles, this was the response:
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That is the discussion framed in a way to get a desired answer.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 11:57 am to 632627
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The social issues (ie non economic) are what's ripping the country apart.
a. Because the real economic strife hasn't hit yet. When the post-Covid inflation raged, nobody was talking about trans shite on any scale.
b. Yes, I acknowledge politics has jumped the shark into emotional partisan polarity and a rejection of logic and rational rhetoric on policy. We can see where focusing on that has gotten us.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:00 pm to burger bearcat
The libertarian movement was a psyop intended to weaken social conservatism in the United States
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:01 pm to Zach
He is exerting government's power to shrink government
What an authoritarian!
What an authoritarian!
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:01 pm to burger bearcat
Thomas Jefferson?
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:10 pm to stuntman
This is exactly why and you could not have provided a better answer.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:10 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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The libertarian movement was a psyop intended to weaken social conservatism in the United States
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:29 pm to burger bearcat
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Libertarianism is a cancer for the right
"Live and let live, bro."
This is the lazy mantra of libertarianism and has co-opted the brain of many who would and should otherwise be conservatives. It is a lazy cop out. It is for the fence riders who do not want to make a decision. It is the grease upon which we as a nation are sliding down the slippery slope on almost all cultural and societal issues. Libertarians are the useful idiots for the progressive left.
Pull your heads out of your asses and take a stand, "libertarians."
This post was edited on 9/15/25 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 9/15/25 at 12:45 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
Eisenhower is the very definition of a moderate, it’s the very reason he was so popular following WW2. Nixon was far more conservative than Eisenhower and Reagan implemented several destructive policies including amnesty and bloating the budget of the military. They were both successful presidents but Trump for all of his flaws far surpasses Reagan in immigration
Posted on 9/15/25 at 1:00 pm to DownSouthJukin
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Pull your heads out of your asses and take a stand, "libertarians."
Libertarians have and it's not "live and let live.
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Do you prefer a state the protects individuals from state power and limits the expansion (and the expected perversion) of state power, or do you prefer a state that supports expansion of state power and erosion of individual liberty? THAT is the discussion.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 1:23 pm to burger bearcat
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to handcuff conservatives from being able to do anything.
Conservatives are supposed to conserve, big government is supposed to be the ones to “do shite”
Feeling is mutual
Posted on 9/15/25 at 1:27 pm to burger bearcat
Like most -isms, if you dogmatize it and make it some monolithic, reified
“believe system,” then yeah.
If it’s a “leaning” or guiding principle for certain purposes. Then great.
Burke/Locke/Smith are compatible with a market-drive system. But yeah the Ayn Rand Bazooka wrapper “philosophy” is incompatible with true liberty in the real world.
You can’t just leave a power vacuum and hope supply and demand somehow fills it with civic virtue.
“believe system,” then yeah.
If it’s a “leaning” or guiding principle for certain purposes. Then great.
Burke/Locke/Smith are compatible with a market-drive system. But yeah the Ayn Rand Bazooka wrapper “philosophy” is incompatible with true liberty in the real world.
You can’t just leave a power vacuum and hope supply and demand somehow fills it with civic virtue.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 1:28 pm to burger bearcat
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Libertarianism is a cancer for the right
If you think wanting individual freedom is a cancer, you probably should reflect a bit on what that says about your ideology.
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