re: Libertarianism is a cancer for the right

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There was a time when promoting literal Leftism was antithetical to anyone proclaiming to be a conservative.

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Pointing out that corporations have an opportunity to seize a lot of power in the near future, and that Libertarian thinking will make that easier for them, is not leftism.

Advocating wholesale for Leftist policies in reaction to that is leftism.

And sometimes you might have to react to stimuli in ways that don't 100% align with your worldview. China does this to an extreme degree, taking the reigns off the foster innovation and then once there is a workable product they go full commie. We don't have to (and shouldn't) do that, but sometimes you might have to *gasp* use anti-trust law if the situation warrants it. If you know anything about software, you would probably think we haven't used it enough in recent years.

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Immigration doesn't prevent that.

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Sure it does. You want to know what people the most impacted by immigration think about it? Look at election results from last year and how far border counties swung towards Trump. The number 1 issue for people in that election? Immigration.

Trump has awful approval ratings overall but his handling of immigration still far outpaces his overall approval, even with the news running videos of ICE arresting people with some likely made up sob story 24/7. You think all of that is just made up blame put on immigrants? Of course it isn't.

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Why would immigrants come here without a social safety net if they had no skills or productivity to offer?

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Maybe you should ask one of the millions of them living here.

there are many things the right should take from libertarianism


1) stick to the constitution strictly
2) cut spending drastically
3) for foreign affairs follow constitution


if we did those things...be much better off. I like massie and paul...most of the time, their positions are the correct ones, the problem is those in the house and the seneate do not have the appetite to cut spending or follow constitution

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The only major ones I can think of that didn’t vote for Trump in 2024 are Scott Horton and Chase Oliver.

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Yeah, I rerely pay attention to the Libertarian party. I think most "libertarians" are hybrids like myself.

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The social issues (ie non economic) are what's ripping the country apart.

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And we're ignoring the economics which is the most important aspect

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We need to primary them out, starting with massie and Rand

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Neither are libertarians.

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There are two types of libertarians. Milton Friedman explains this well.

The group that includes Milei, Rand, Massie etc believe open borders are an assault on private property.

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If Rand and Massie believe open borders are an assault on private property, then why do they constantly vote for less border security?

You're telling me to not believe my own eyes.

Those 2 only care about less direct spending. They never consider secondary effects like how illegals cost us $150 billion per year, but they will say a one-time expense of $10b for a wall is too much to spend.

They also think illegal aliens and every foreign citizen terrorist in the world deserve the same rights as taxpaying American citizens. That thinking leads to open borders and soft on crime policies that ruin the country and threaten our sovereignty.

If Rand and Massie were in charge, there would be very few deportations. They wouldn't have the stomach for the crocodile tears of the media or be willing to spend the money. They would demand extensive "due process" for people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

Libertarians allows progressivism to grow and fester with their do nothing policies. They are the "good men doing nothing" who allow evil to triumph.

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The entire philosophy is basically let’s do nothing and sit back and watch Communists gain ground on us

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So you're a lover of Harry Trumann and would love to relive all the bloodshed of Vietnam and Korea and the like?


The biggest warmongers are cowards who always want to send other people's kids to die


Most war veterans I've ever met are anti-war

We've got chickenhawks all across America rooting for war and most of them are idiot Zionists

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Stop putting border security in increased spending bills and they will

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Only simpletons believe that the libertarian leaning congressmen vote against "border security," they're voting against the other shite in the 900 page long bills.

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The problem is, though, that the reason barbarism has been able to spread like wildfire is BECAUSE of the rejection of individualism in favor of collectivism.

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Culturally speaking we have been toxically individualistic. So much so that every metric of community formation, whether it be family, friends, or religious community has seen a MASSIVE DROP.