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re: Letter from FDA to physicians on acetaminophen use

Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:10 pm to
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:10 pm to
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Do you deny there is gatekeeping in the medical field?

The only “gate keeping” is one’s ability to independently and critically appraise the breadth of literature on a topic and to come up with his or her own informed opinion.

There is no secret repository where we hoard all of our data away from the common man. Studies are uploaded to Pubmed, which, if you could infer from the name, is a free, PUBlic database.

Now if someone doesn’t have the ability to understand what they are reading, I would not classify that as “gate keeping.”
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
12182 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:14 pm to
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You have zero medical knowledge or experience but since you are childlike in your naivety I will educate you

And then proceeds to say:

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Why is Tylenol so hard on the liver unlike other pain relievers like opiates or Ibuprofen?


Firstly, LOL @ the mere mention of opiates as if they are in any way shape or form safer than Tylenol. That’s hilarious.

But more importantly, let me ask you this:

Why is ibuprofen so hard on the kidneys unlike other pain relievers like opiates or Tylenol? You can ignore everything and everyone on the planet that contradicts your preconceived notions but your body doesn’t lie
Posted by onmymedicalgrind
Nunya
Member since Dec 2012
12182 posts
Posted on 9/24/25 at 8:18 pm to
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People are tired of information silos, gatekeeping and the like- and rightfully so.


Consider the gate unlocked. You’re welcome
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4617 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 7:58 am to
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Both are scientists
True but both aren't specifically versed with the particular situation. A rock guitar player and an acoustic guitar player are both guitar players, but they are not necessarily suitable substitutes for each other.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4617 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:00 am to
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LSUTANGERINE
With your response, what was wrong with what President Trump said, other than it was President Donald J. Trump saying it?
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:03 am to
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With your response, what was wrong with what President Trump said, other than it was President Donald J. Trump saying it?

I’ve addressed that several times in this thread
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Not to mention one of the studies where the association disappeared when confounding variables were controlled for and there were sibling controls was the largest study ever done looking at the association between ASD and acetaminophen. 2.5 million people.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47562 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:06 am to
Nothing. What you just witnessed is the reflexive #resistance to all things Trump, followed by facts that make libs look like morons, then a shameful pivot to something trivial like, "well... I don't like the way he said it!".

Its so stupid.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:07 am to
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Nothing. What you just witnessed is the reflexive #resistance to all things Trump, followed by facts that make libs look like morons, then a shameful pivot to something trivial like, "well... I don't like the way he said it!". It’s so stupid.

Why are you trying to answer for me? I gave my answer. You just don’t like the facts.
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
5119 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:08 am to
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Firstly, LOL @ the mere mention of opiates as if they are in any way shape or form safer than Tylenol. That’s hilarious.


As far as liver toxicity? Come on doctor
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28067 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:11 am to
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Not to mention one of the studies where the association disappeared when confounding variables were controlled for and there were sibling controls was the largest study ever done looking at the association between ASD and acetaminophen. 2.5 million people.


Has it been replicated? Honest question, because that "less than half" estimate from you was surprising.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89704 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:12 am to
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And you fascists can't help but to try to silence people.


Charlie Kirk.



And Tylenol hasn’t been good for you forever. This isn’t new.


Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
3265 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:13 am to
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Why is Tylenol so hard on the liver unlike other pain relievers like opiates or Ibuprofen?


Not sure if this is a serious question, but I’ll provide the answer. The body processes different drugs in different ways. For example, Tylenol and statins are processed through the liver, thus the reason people can have negative reactions to them. I’m hypersensitive to any drugs that are processed that way, thus I can’t take them. Other drugs, such as ibuprofen, aspirin and antibiotics are processed differently, so I have no issue with them.

There’s actually a preclinical test that looks for the P450 enzyme that is used to screen for liver toxicity, however it doesn’t capture everything. Its use started in the 1960’s, after Tylenol had been introduced. I wonder if Tylenol would have made it to market without a black boxed warning if the test had been around.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89704 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:16 am to
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As far as liver toxicity? Come on doctor


It depends. Hitler was injecting oxycodone. He was getting the good stuff.

But in the US we have opioids with acetaminophen. It causes liver failure in addicts.

The fda regulates how much can go into opioids.
Posted by Free888
Member since Oct 2019
3265 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:18 am to
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But in the US we have opioids with acetaminophen. It causes liver failure in addicts.


Percocet is a perfect example.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79416 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:19 am to
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Why is ibuprofen so hard on the kidneys unlike other pain relievers like opiates or Tylenol?
quote:

Why is Tylenol so hard on the liver unlike other pain relievers like opiates or Ibuprofen?


fine fine

you all have convinced me

i’ll take opiates
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4617 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:38 am to
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LSUTANGERINE
Nothing was "grossly misled in the press conference." if the pregnant ladies receive no ill side effects from not taking tylenol.

If there is no risk to women and babies, why did the "-ists" from tylenol advise pregnant women to not take tylenol in 2017?
This post was edited on 9/25/25 at 8:43 am
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4617 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:39 am to
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You just don’t like the facts.
Project much do ya?
Posted by DarthTiger
Member since Sep 2005
3268 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:41 am to
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This post was edited on 12/16/25 at 8:39 pm
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:43 am to
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Has it been replicated? Honest question, because that "less than half" estimate from you was surprising.

Similar studies in Japan and I believe Norway
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 9/25/25 at 8:44 am to
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If there is no risk to women and babies, why did the "-ists" from tylenol advise women to not take tylenol in 2017?

The vast majority of OTC meds are not recommended for pregnant women and it has nothing to do with autism
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