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re: Let’s discuss the housing market

Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:27 am to
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
5080 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:27 am to
quote:

What is going on?


People holding savings in dollars know that printing money in two trillion dollar lots, and throwing it out of helicopters to anyone with a pulse degrades the value of said dollars, so they want to move said dollars into a vehicle less rapable. And this administration is raping those with dollars.

So, on to real estate.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11773 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:32 am to
Yes that would be a problem on new construction, but that shouldn’t affect houses that are being resold - if that makes sense.
Posted by 2Yutes
BR
Member since Oct 2018
2183 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:32 am to
All good points mentioned. Perfect storm seems very true.

But think of what the PANDEMIC actually created...

For many months, building, buying, sales & PRODUCTION on all levels of the supply chain went to close to ZERO. We have never experienced such an occurrence to rebound from. Now demand is way greater than the supply of homes.
Posted by burke985
UGANDA
Member since Aug 2011
24658 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:33 am to
Government buying houses to stuff illegals in
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29242 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:33 am to
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out realtor even said she was practically knocking on doors to see if people wanted to sell their house. I thought she was kidding.


Ours did as well.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
10501 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:39 am to
Covid created a shift in how people are living and working
The work from home thing is likely going to stay in some form.
That means people can move from an urban area to a sub or rural area and do their job.

Interest rates are low enough to keep the money flowing.

Building costs are at historic highs. Lumber just hit an all time high this week. Other building materials are high too.(metals, cement). Then there’s a shortage of appliances and other materials... it can be a pain in the arse to build.

Then there’s the opportunistic selling going on. I saw some recent houses go on the market just because neighbors got historically high prices. Still though, house inventory is below demand. Agents are knocking on doors now to see if people want to sell. Last time I saw that was 06.

I think the only thing that can slow the pace is a correction in the cost to build and/or an interest rate hike but I don’t see much chance of the latter.
I thought building costs would drop as we got out of covid but they’re still very high. It’s unsustainable though and will correct. That will give buyers some options.
The outlier would be some bump in the economy and we might see something along those lines but I don’t see it anytime soon.


Posted by BayBengal9
Bay St. Louis, MS
Member since Nov 2019
4171 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:49 am to
I listened to a demographer on Coast to Coast AM (don't laugh, this guy was talking numbers, not aliens) about 18 months ago who said we are roughly 15 million housing units short of what demand will be over the next 5-10 years. He pointed to the millenials being the largest generation ever all coming to house buying age (25-35) with many fewer older houses "opening up" due to an increased life expectancy, and more older people being able to live at home longer than ever before.

I thought it sounded overly optimistic, from a real estate investor's perspective... but it's starting to feel like the perfect storm of demographics, plus supply and demand issues due to Wu Flu problems.
Posted by Aliasau
Santa Rosa Beach Florida
Member since May 2020
1081 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:51 am to
The house two doors down from me just sold for about 45% more than it sold for three years ago. Checking the market my house has gone up in a little over 20% in last 14 months.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
6670 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:53 am to
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This has got to be the most competitive market to buy a house in that anybody has seen. My real estate agent has been doing this for 33 years and has never seen anything like it. Houses go on the market and in 2 days will have 10-20 offers, site unseen, and full closing.


Then your Real Estate Agent was not alive in 2008 before the crash ...

I left a job making $85,000 a year with benefits. Started my own Inspection Company ....I was so busy that I was making over $200,000 a year. Had five agents and two banks giving me all their business. I was doing inspections at night and on the weekends. Overnight the water spigot was turned off .....

Had I known ..... I would have been in Mississippi in the Katrina mess working for FEMA. 30 days straight, no breaks, go home for 30 days ....making 30,000 a month. Once you turn down that phone call, you are off the list.

Right now ....the migrating liberal idiots are running from the trash up north .... It's was a wonder that Florida only gained one seat.
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
10064 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 6:53 am to
We're selling our house for a little over 3x what we paid in 2010.

That means we're probably renting until prices come down for houses or construction.

I've built a house before but no way could i afford it even with the windfall coming
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
6670 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:12 am to
In the height of the real estate boom in Florida house prices were climbing daily ....not weekly ..... daily.

The city and county governments jumped in and rapidly increasing values to make gains in taxes. Home owner's insurance Companies were now adding to match the market values they were seeing ...

That caused the on the edge buyers to collapse. Not a fictitious drop in the value ...The taxes and insurances ..crushed the on the edge buyers. Now you would receive your October notice ..."In December your escrow account will be short 1200 dollars." Those buyers had the mortgage payment and the escrow payment to match or default ....the game was on.

It was so bad on the Pinellas County Beaches that the Cities came in and said "All right, if you tear down this house, you can build a ten unit Condo and we are now taxing according to the value of the ten unit condo. I had owner after owner going under because of City and County taxes.
Posted by TigerNutwhack
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
4136 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:27 am to
We sold our house last August and have been renting a little place in the mountains until we decided where we were going to land. At the time we sold it for over our asking price, but we could probably have gotten way more for it if we waited. We're now building in a new neighborhood, and the builder just told us they aren't accepting any more new contracts for now because they don't think they'll be able to build the houses quickly enough due to labor and material shortages. We locked in our build in January, and the same house by the same builder with the same options would be $30k more if we tried to do it right now.

It's just crazy.
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
Member since Jun 2014
8616 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:28 am to
quote:

The current market just isn’t sustainable.

That’s what they were saying about $150k west coast homes 40 years ago.that are now a million plus.


It's not sustainable because wages are not keeping up. I keep hearing about raising the minimum wage and how wages have been flat and the widening income gaps between the rich and everybody else, yet we are having a housing boom? Both can't be true.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
18727 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 7:59 am to
It is called a bubble. Q4 2021 is setting up for a massive correction. I wouldn't buy a house in this market the correction is going to be large enough banks are going to go upside down. This is setting up to make the financial crisis look like a small blip on the radar.

Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11832 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:30 am to
construction prices are crazy.

It could be that existing homes are way underpriced vs. building a new one.

Also, with all the flush of imaginary capital (trillions being created out of thin air), wealthy people have to find shelters for the cash. They are buying extra homes. Many are sitting empty.

Even banks and companies are buying property and homes to shelter their cash against inflation.

Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11824 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:32 am to
quote:

Price of lumber.


General Contractor friend of mine said you are looking to spend another $16k-$20k for a 2000 square foot house in the BR area due to material costs

Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99119 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 8:34 am to
The problem is, you need to have a place to move.

But, yes, it's nuts. House next to me had 2 offers for listing price within 24 hours of it being put on the MLS.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25575 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:04 am to
Everything in my zip in Franklin under 2 million is being purchased cash waiving all inspections. You have to have the ability to pay cash and refi after close to get a house. I put a house on the market last week just under 700k (just over 2000 sq ft) it went 20% over ask all cash sight unseen no contingencies. They wired non refundable earnest money to my attorney same day.

I have two clients right now building new construction. Neither builder will guarantee lumber price in the contract. Absolutely insane these guys who build tons of houses can’t even get a hold on lumber prices with a contract.
Posted by Codythetiger
Arkansas
Member since Nov 2006
27618 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:11 am to
I just bought a 2500+ square foot home in West Little Rock, nice neighborhood for $89 a square foot. It appraised for well over what we bought it for.

I know we got lucky, but i could probably flip this home and make 70k off it. It's our first home and we just locked in at a 2.8% rate so we are going to ride it out.

I viewed about 30-40 other homes, had a couple of contracts on on 2 of them and I was paying over the appraisal. I waited for over a year for this to fall into my lap.
Posted by canyon
Member since Dec 2003
18479 posts
Posted on 4/29/21 at 9:13 am to
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