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re: Let's all come clean, why is Trump so despised and hated by some Americans?

Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:18 am to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37735 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:18 am to
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He’s a narcissistic egomaniac


What is a politician for 2,000 Alex.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53851 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:20 am to
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- The last group I have seen on here are the ones that want somebody to just dig a hole and put their heads back in it. They want to "turn the page" because if things could just go back to the way it was.... This group are the people who don;t want to face reality and hate Trump because he exposed it.


These ^^^ are the people who live in denial of all the domestic and geopolitical turmoil tearing this nation apart and it's not Trump's doings....it's because Trump was targeted by a consortium of Anti Trump Forces ranging from those who want globalism to those who want cultural Marxism/Fundamental Transformation.....in their minds Trump is the greatest threat to their dreams of some LWO/one world order quasi utopia.
Posted by FlexDawg
Member since Jan 2018
14454 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:20 am to
Because they do as they are told by their overlords.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
38766 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:21 am to
Envy is a primal and driving force in Human society. (The Book "Envy" by Helmut Schoeck is fascinating and informative for those who choose to understand the basic dynamics.) With the 'pack'/tribe mentality not far behind. Marxist/Egalitarian Ideology is manifest as the societal 'equality' principle and the psychological implied social contract which unites a society and makes them stronger against outside threats. United we stand, divided we fall. As such, it is a (supposed) superior moral (practical) idea. Rejection of this (morally superior, altruistic?) idea is an afront and outrage to them that embrace it; therein, the contempt and rage.

Capitalism/Constitutional Individual Freedom is the antithesis of the above, as it establishes a moral (God) imperative for limits on the societal ("mob rule") rights of individuals who would slack in their civic duty, and let other more responsible members bear the cost of their immorality/irresponsibility.

Trump is the 'flagbearer' of Individualist Ideology, and he is right when he says that they hate him, but "it's really you" that the Collectivists are coming for.

IMO, the ideal societal principle would be one wherein society focuses on the weak links in the chain, with policy that guarantees the basics of life but not without QUALIFIERS toward fulfilling daily civic and moral societal burdens and duties. Of course, that would mean coercion (abridgment of individual freedom) as the weak are forced to do the right thing. That is Communism in effect.

Bottom line: we live in a Spiritual Universe (IMO) wherein people live and learn and ultimately make an 'educated choice' in creating their ultimate Reality (subjective perceptive paradigm). We are in a 'buffet' of sorts, with each person choosing their path and exploring the consequences therein. We watch others to learn consequences as well. In effect it is a "wheat growing amongst the tares" scenario; the roots are intertwined, and we fight for the nutrients upon which to empower our "pursuit of happiness" and freedom. It's 'wailing and gnashing of teeth' for power. And when power comes from the acquisition of money ("money is the root of all evil") then the dog fight is on. That is where we are. Capitalism ("Darwinian Economy") is considered the rules for a fair fight; Collectivists reject such as immoral, as they do not believe that God gave people their just reward in this life, but that it's a "life's lottery" scenario. There is no gray area; it's one or the other.

The experience of Perceptive Reality is essentially one of 'Feeling'. I.e., "happiness". That is a high bar, and the lowest at the same time. Some of the most powerful can not attain it, some of least powerful will. "The kingdom of heaven cometh not with observation, behold it is WITHIN". Heaven is the feeling of Love. Love is a 'lens' wherein it colors all of the Perceived Universe. God, as manifest to it's 'Children'.

"War in heaven and on Earth". The battle for moral superiority of the two competing Ideas. Merit-based, Spiritual prosperity via refining a loving character, or a 'prosperity' which is based on Self Worship over that of the Whole. Satan's original 'Idea', demanding equality with God in effect. The Left hates Trump because they view him as the latter.

It's been live and learn every since 'Adam and Eve'. Good enough. Lord have mercy on them who love.

Sunday sermon. TLDR
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466921 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:21 am to
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I don't hate him, but he sucked arse as President and I don't want to give him another four years to frick up when we have better options.

I'm in the same boat, but people want to call me a Leftist for this stance

Trump's 4 years was a pretty huge failure and almost every policy I consider positive has been reversed. He also rejected one of my biggest policies (reducing federal spending) in historic fashion.

NOBODY has given me a rational explanation how things will be any different for another 4 years.

All I get is "mean tweets" responses.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55386 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:21 am to
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Seen his stance on Medicare and SS lately?


Not what you claim it to be.

Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4924 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:22 am to
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He’s an insufferable bitch.

Please try to keep up…

We’re talking about President Trump, not Nix to Twillie.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55386 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:24 am to
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You love him because?


Isn't the topic.


quote:

He called out the swamp and then hired it?



Whatever man.


MOST KEPT PROMISES BY ANY PRESIDENT IN MY LIFE TIME!


Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53851 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:24 am to
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And I see the willingness to overlook his personality as selling out my morals. We just disagree on what we are looking for in a president. You asked though why he is disliked by lots of people. I still believe this is the issue.


As a Christian, if I use this litmus test I probably couldn't vote for any candidate.
Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2062 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:24 am to
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What? That's what most GOPEs have done. Present to you an attractive candle and then Go to DC and continue the path we were on.


But they got elected. There is no reason Trump can’t present himself in an appealing package and govern like you want. Those two are not mutually exclusive.
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53851 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:25 am to
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But they got elected. There is no reason Trump can’t present himself in an appealing package and govern like you want. Those two are not mutually exclusive.


The man is 76 years old, he ain't changing.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:25 am to
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NOBODY has given me a rational explanation how things will be any different for another 4 years.

All I get is "mean tweets" responses.


They can't.

The people still giving him their unwavering support aren't doing so because of policy.
Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
Member since Sep 2016
6150 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:26 am to
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He is as politically incorrect as they come. It's just a shock to a lot of people.

What's more befuddling is the people who are so shocked by Trump's personality, are not more shocked by the social, political and financial repercussions we are experiencing now.
Elections have consequences
Posted by VolcanicTiger
Member since Apr 2022
5933 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:27 am to
Brainwashing.
Posted by ruzil
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2012
18167 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:29 am to
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They want more from their leaders.


30+ trillion deficit
180 + trillion dollars in unfunded mandates
Weaponized three letter agencies
Globalist one world government agenda with similar freedoms of the Chinese population
Unelected bureaucrats running things
Corrupt elections

Yep, they most certainly want more out of their leaders.
Posted by Spook
504
Member since Jun 2019
280 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:30 am to
wow
This post was edited on 5/4/23 at 10:03 pm
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55386 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:31 am to
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These ^^^ are the people who live in denial of all the domestic and geopolitical turmoil tearing this nation apart and it's not Trump's doings....it's because Trump was targeted by a consortium of Anti Trump Forces ranging from those who want globalism to those who want cultural Marxism/Fundamental Transformation.....in their minds Trump is the greatest threat to their dreams of some LWO/one world order quasi utopia.


Yep. He upset the order of things.

What's really telling in some is that they don't see that the Gov literally is putting people who descent in jail. Ending their ability to talk about it in public. etc.

Posted by LSU2ALA
Member since Jul 2018
2062 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:33 am to
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The man is 76 years old, he ain't changing.


Agreed there, but don’t act like it’s the voter’s problem. It’s his.
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
Where the mongooses roam
Member since Jan 2009
38528 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:33 am to
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He’s an insufferable bitch.


Basically this

No idea how so many people got suckered by this clown
Posted by Bass Tiger
Member since Oct 2014
53851 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 9:34 am to
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They can't. The people still giving him their unwavering support aren't doing so because of policy.


We have such a stable of America First work horses ready to put Trump to pasture....maybe Romney, Pence, Scott, Cruz, Cheney, Christie, Haley....pick your favorite career weak azz politician or neoconservative.
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