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Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:42 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:42 am to Bobby OG Johnson
God damn why can’t the agent be named Milton 
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:43 am to AggieHank86
quote:
It DOES NOT MATTER whether the spray was objectively deadly or near-deadly. The QUESTION was whether having SOMETHING blow up in his face placed the guy in reasonable fear
Point taken.
Does No. 2 in the statute you posted cause problems for the shooters self defense claim?
quote:
(2) Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:
This is problematic for the defense, no? There were police on the scene. Shooter could have retreated from spray. Etc.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:43 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Who didn't see this coming when the shooter's name wasn't released? Amazing those accounts weren't scrubbed in the interim.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:46 am to jrodLSUke
quote:Yes, it is a potential problem for him.quote:This is problematic for the defense, no? There were police on the scene. Shooter could have retreated from spray. Etc.
2) Deadly physical force may be used only if a person reasonably believes a lesser degree of force is inadequate and:
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:47 am to jrodLSUke
The "fear" is not reasonable as it was pepper spray, not a bomb, not a knife, and not a firearm. At no point in this was the shooter at risk of dying or at risk of grave harm. In fact, he shot the guy after he was sprayed so he even knew it was pepper spray.
That said the fact he was booked 1st degree tells you all you need to know, the cops at the scene thought it was murder.
That said the fact he was booked 1st degree tells you all you need to know, the cops at the scene thought it was murder.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:51 am to Bobby OG Johnson
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Provide the client with concierge-level security.
That dipshit couldn't provide "concierge-level" anything at so much as a Mcdonalds.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:52 am to Bobby OG Johnson
Can the family file a civil suit against the Pinkerton agency since he was working directly through them?
Looking over the documents you provided it clearly shows the agent did not follow protocol but in the Pinkerton checkered history that has often been the case.
Will they fire him at this point for breech of contract?
Looking over the documents you provided it clearly shows the agent did not follow protocol but in the Pinkerton checkered history that has often been the case.
Will they fire him at this point for breech of contract?
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:55 am to AggieHank86
quote:You get an inordinate amount of grief on this forum, some of it (IMHO) well-deserved, not so much for content but for delivery.
AggieHank86
However you seem to be a reasonable voice in this particular thread. Your position doesn’t seem to differ significantly from your position on the Rittenhouse case, which is commendable.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:58 am to carguymatt
Law is semantics.
But I’m not actually getting involved with the case, I’m just pointing out to counsel that pepper spray won’t meet the definition of great bodily harm in any state.
But I’m not actually getting involved with the case, I’m just pointing out to counsel that pepper spray won’t meet the definition of great bodily harm in any state.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:59 am to jrodLSUke
quote:
This is problematic for the defense, no? There were police on the scene. Shooter could have retreated from spray. Etc.
Pahahahaha yeah there were police on the scene they did not stop him from taking that bullet. Police being there or not is a non factor and you could also say the guy that got shot should have just retreated from the area and not slapped or maced him.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:59 am to AggieHank86
quote:
The QUESTION was whether having SOMETHING blow up in his face placed the guy in reasonable fear
The victim was not a Jihadist. Why would he bring a bomb to a slap fight.
The fear of him blowing up the attacker AND himself is not a reasonable one.
Where do you come up with unreasonable scenarios and try to paint them as reasonable. Oh I forgot, that is what lawyers do. Silly me. And you paint us all as knuckle dragging mouth breathers from your perch upon your high horse.
This post was edited on 10/11/20 at 11:00 am
Posted on 10/11/20 at 10:59 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Yes, it is a potential problem for him.
I think this is where the self defense claim will eventually fall apart. It’s going to be tough to argue that deadly force was the only option for the shooter, when he was defending himself from bear spray, and the where police just a few feet away.
ChemE poster thinks you can use deadly force against spray, but I would disagree on that one. Especially not with these circumstances.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:01 am to jrodLSUke
quote:
ChemE poster thinks you can use deadly force against spray, but I would disagree on that one. Especially not with these circumstances.
This is very similar to the brooks shooting. The taser would be considered non lethal but it is what comes next that gives the reasonable fear. Also the initial slap will only help the defense.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:02 am to IslandBuckeye
quote:some of you, yes
you paint us all as knuckle dragging mouth breathers
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:08 am to CheEngineer
Tasers are defined as “less lethal”. There is plenty of evidence that people have been killed by tasers. Not to mention that the circumstances in these two cases are completely different.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:09 am to CheEngineer
quote:The victim did retreat back and was still shot.
Pahahahaha yeah there were police on the scene they did not stop him from taking that bullet. Police being there or not is a non factor and you could also say the guy that got shot should have just retreated from the area and not slapped or maced him.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:11 am to jrodLSUke
quote:
Not to mention that the circumstances in these two cases are completely different.
Posted on 10/11/20 at 11:12 am to DMAN1968
quote:
That dipshit couldn't provide "concierge-level" anything at so much as a Mcdonalds.
He was also absent on the day of deescalation training.
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