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re: Leahy, not Roberts, to preside over impeachment trial
Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:13 pm to Music_City_Tiger
Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:13 pm to Music_City_Tiger
Roberts is compromised.
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Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:13 pm to teke184
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So they aren’t following proper procedure and the whole thing should be tossed.
See my post above...this is a damned sham and an affront to the Constitution! At some point, I guess the USSC is the only governing body left for this, needs to step forward and tell the Congressional Dems NO MORE!
Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:40 pm to teke184
quote:No. set aside preconceptions and read the words. Look at the tenses. He WAS President when impeached by the House. Procedurally (only), no problem there. He will no longer be President when tried by the Senate. Roberts need not preside. No procedural problem there.
if he was the president when impeached, Robert’s MUST preside over it. And he has refused.
So they aren’t following proper procedure and the whole thing should be tossed.
The only question is whether the trial may proceed after the accused leaves office. As to a former POTUS, that IS an open question, but analogous precedent from the 1800s suggests that the answer is “yes.”
Posted on 1/25/21 at 5:54 pm to Music_City_Tiger
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Leahy, not Roberts, to preside over impeachment trial
Was James Comey not available?
Posted on 1/25/21 at 6:00 pm to MaroonWhite
He is not the current President, it doesn't say the Presidential office or former President.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 6:15 pm to GumboPot
Fairness is no longer available!
Posted on 1/25/21 at 7:28 pm to AggieHank86
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As to a former POTUS, that IS an open question, but analogous precedent from the 1800s suggests that the answer is “yes.”
I think that hinges on the two available "sentences" that they can hand down. The first being removal from office, and the 2nd barring future office. It's that 2nd possibility that would lead me to think a conviction, if it were to occur, would be upheld.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 7:29 pm to Music_City_Tiger
Bubbles the Chimp wasn’t available.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 7:32 pm to Crimson1st
Lawyers jack off about these arguments. And that’s why the arguments are stupid.
Sophistry writ large.
Or in other words, lawyering.
Sophistry writ large.
Or in other words, lawyering.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 7:35 pm to Music_City_Tiger
If the Democrats act like this out in the open, imagine what they say behind closed doors.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 7:36 pm to AggieHank86
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AggieHank86
You might be dumber than I thought
Posted on 1/25/21 at 7:37 pm to AggieHank86
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Much like filing a lawsuit the day before limitations expire. You still get to try the case AFTER the SoL.
But it doesn't alter who hears the case. Either this is an impeachment of a President or it isn't. If it is, Roberts must preside. If it isn't, there should be no trial altogether. To suggest that it is proper for a member of the Senate, who himself will cast a vote in the trial, to preside over that very proceeding, is absolutely insane.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 7:42 pm to dafif
He is not dumber than I thought.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 7:53 pm to SCLibertarian
Trying to explain the concept to some people is a mind altering experience
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:00 pm to SCLibertarian
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To suggest that it is proper for a member of the Senate, who himself will cast a vote in the trial, to preside over that very proceeding, is absolutely insane.
So if Leahy presides, does he still get to vote? Seems like a conflict there.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:00 pm to MaroonWhite
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When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside"
Well he isn't the president.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:04 pm to Music_City_Tiger
That should be a fair trial. Trump shouldn't even put on a defense. This is idiotic since he's no longer President.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:04 pm to AggieHank86
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The only question is whether the trial may proceed after the accused leaves office. As to a former POTUS, that IS an open question, but analogous precedent from the 1800s suggests that the answer is “yes.”
Seems like that question will eventually find it's way to Roberts, where he won't be able to duck his duty.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:07 pm to Scream4LSU
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Well he isn't the president.
You can't have it both ways. If he isn't the President, then he shouldn't be subject to impeachment. If this is an impeachment proceeding for acts committed while he was President, the Chief Justice should preside. In no way should a partisan Senator be allowed to preside over the trial.
Posted on 1/25/21 at 8:11 pm to Scream4LSU
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When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside"
Well he isn't the president.
Exactly. We should then look to what it provides when the defendant is a former President. Surely it's covered because it's not like it's some farfetched, alien concept.
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