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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 7/29/25 at 5:42 pm to
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 5:42 pm to
And it begs the question... What was Biden doing this whole time by not doing this earlier?
This post was edited on 7/29/25 at 5:43 pm
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 5:58 pm to
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:26 pm to
He stated this in his 2007 speech in Munich to a stunned crowd that the largest catastrophic event of the 20th century was the collapse of the USSR. Not one single sane person outside of Russia believes that to be true
Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:28 pm to
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And it begs the question... What was Biden doing this whole time by not doing this earlier?


Direct tariffs on Russia obviously aren't going to have much of an impact since we don't trade much between us and since China and other countries like North Korea at the time weren't nearly as invested in winning this war as they are now it wasn't much of a concern. Rather, Biden's concerns (or at least his administrations) was threefold, some warranted, some not.

1. Would Ukraine even fight back. The first few months of the war the question was whether or not the Ukrainians, especially Zelenski, would even try to fight back or would they be overwhelmed. If not then sending aid would be a wasted, so we held off on doing it for four months. When the Ukrainians showed that they were willing and capable of fighting back we then started sending aid.

2. The practical challenges of arming and supplying the Ukrainians. They don't use American/NATO weaponry, and with the exception of some old Cold War era systems we didn't have lots to send them that they could just start fighting. Tanks, jets, and advanced systems like radars require things like a logistics trail, training, consistent resupply of munitions and such, and that takes far more investment than just putting equipment on a railcar and shipping to Kiev or the front.

3. The concern of Russia collapsing. We are not prepared for the enormous fallout should the Russia government collapse, something that even the Russians now publicly admit will happen should they lose, and the threat of nuclear weapons being stolen or lost to anyone not in a recognized government is real. The problem is that Russia is now well on its way to collapsing and we are even less prepared.
This post was edited on 7/29/25 at 9:34 pm
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:44 pm to
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He stated this in his 2007 speech in Munich to a stunned crowd that the largest catastrophic event of the 20th century was the collapse of the USSR. Not one single sane person outside of Russia believes that to be true


well, there's three... Xi, Kim Jong-un, and Raúl Castro.
This post was edited on 7/29/25 at 9:46 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:48 pm to
1- that is a reasonable tactic

2-Wd should have had plans in place to help Ukraine just in case.

3- this should be a real concern.
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 9:51 pm to
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quote:

And it begs the question... What was Biden doing this whole time by not doing this earlier?


Direct tariffs on Russia obviously aren't going to have much of an impact since we don't trade much between us and since China and other countries like North Korea at the time weren't nearly as invested in winning this war as they are now it wasn't much of a concern. Rather, Biden's concerns (or at least his administrations) was threefold, some warranted, some not.

1. Would Ukraine even fight back. The first few months of the war the question was whether or not the Ukrainians, especially Zelenski, would even try to fight back or would they be overwhelmed. If not then sending aid would be a wasted, so we held off on doing it for four months. When the Ukrainians showed that they were willing and capable of fighting back we then started sending aid.

2. The practical challenges of arming and supplying the Ukrainians. They don't use American/NATO weaponry, and with the exception of some old Cold War era systems we didn't have lots to send them that they could just start fighting. Tanks, jets, and advanced systems like radars require things like a logistics trail, training, consistent resupply of munitions and such, and that takes far more investment than just putting equipment on a railcar and shipping to Kiev or the front.

3. The concern of Russia collapsing. We are not prepared for the enormous fallout should the Russia government collapse, something that even the Russians now publicly admit will happen should they lose, and the threat of nuclear weapons being stolen or lost to anyone not in a recognized government is real. The problem is that Russia is now well on its way to collapsing and we are even less prepared.


I've been saying most of this here for quite a while.

Putin's nuclear blackmail not only involves him using nukes, himself, but Russian nukes ending up in Iran (a short boat ride down the Caspian) or with Islamic extremist groups in the former Soviet -stans, or even just central Russia.
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:10 pm to
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 7/29/25 at 10:54 pm to
I feel really sorry for this dude and I hope his wife gets his kids the hell out of Russia.

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This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 12:27 am
Posted by Lee B
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 12:31 am to
this guy I don't feel so sorry about whatever may happen to him...

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Posted on 7/30/25 at 4:36 am to
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quote:

The program raised tensions with Washington as the U.S. — together with other third countries that don't have defense and security deals with the EU — isn't able to take part in joint procurement under the scheme.

However U.S. isn't completely excluded. The agreement allows 35 percent of the value of the weapons to come from manufacturers beyond the bloc and Ukraine.

The final draft of the text, dated May 20 and seen by POLITICO, also makes the participation of non-member subcontractors easier. It now says that "common procurement involving subcontractors" that are allocated between 15 percent and 35 percent of the value of the contract and "that are not established or don’t have their executive management structures" in the EU, or in one of its partners like Norway and Ukraine, "should be eligible."


To quote Everett Dirkson, €150 billion is real money. Nothing talks like money and €150 billion is huge.

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Two of the diplomats said that Hungary abstained...


But will be first in line to apply for loans. Notice the abstention rather that a negative vote. Now that Orban has been cut off from his personal below-wholesale pricing of the natural gas from Russia, his outlook is changing.
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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 4:51 am to
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This will be just the start. The changes brought by drone warfare will be seen in the US DoD like nowhere else.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 4:58 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 5:24 am to
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Frontline report: Russia plans to import one million Indian workers as war drains domestic labor pool
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Here, a staggering announcement has pulled the curtain back on the country’s wartime manpower crisis. Moscow plans to import one million Indian workers, a move that reveals the scale of Russia’s internal collapse and its growing dependence on foreign labor to sustain even basic functions. The announcement came from the Ural Chambers of Commerce and Industry, which revealed plans to bring in one million Indian laborers to fill vacancies left by Russians sent to the front.

These workers are not being hired for skilled industry or reconstruction, but keep everyday systems running, a signal that Russia’s domestic labor pool has been gutted by conscription. Framing this as a commercial initiative barely conceals its real function: covering for the massive depletion of able-bodied workers across the country.
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Moscow appears to be rebranding foreign troop presence as humanitarian aid to skirt domestic sensitivities and international scrutiny.
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The impact was immediate, and while state media largely ignored the news, regional outlets and officials confirmed it quietly, and the announcement circulated widely on military-focused channels.


Has Modi made a decision here? And who will get the contract payments? Maybe anticipating the economic effects of secondary sanctions, if they happen.

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 5:40 am to
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Russian units are sustaining losses of 70-95% – with only the command staff being left alive in the latter case – before being declared combat ineffective, according to a Russian source. This is a far higher level of accepted casualties than in World War II.

The author of the 'Vault No. 8' Telegram channel discusses the level of losses at which a unit is considered to have lost combat readiness and requires withdrawal for replenishment, according to US Army doctrine (though misattributed here to Clausewitz):

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A [Russian Telegram] post about the Russian meat grinder strategy -

“Regarding losses in the offensive and the assessment of commanders' success. Recently, in a conversation, I recalled academic data about the level of losses at which a unit is considered combat ineffective and requires withdrawal for replenishment.

If I remember correctly, when personnel losses reach 30%, that assault company needs to be withdrawn for replenishment to preserve the experienced core of the unit. This is according to Clausewitz, I believe.

At 50% losses, the unit is considered defeated and requires immediate withdrawal for replenishment. The special military operation surprised us with new loss norms (which someone must have approved) — for example, in our unit it was 70% combat ineffective. Only then was our assault company withdrawn from battle.

However, from October 2023 to March 2024 the “White Cuirassiers” from the Central Military District, according to the admin-volunteer, wore down the infantry in the companies to 90-95%, until only the command of the assault company remained.

In both cases, compared to the very well-founded classics of military art, wearing down assault companies to such a state allows the defeat of the attacking unit.

Once again. 70-95% losses mean the unit is defeated. With the destruction of the combat-capable core that at least learned something during 14 (now 21) days of training and participated in the first battles. That is, based on the classics of military theory:

— The butcher-commander accomplishes the task by allowing multiple defeats of his assault units.

— An interesting question: how many defeated Ukrainian defending units corresponded to a certain number of our defeated assault companies near Avdiivka? What is the ratio?

— The butcher-commander prevents the transfer of combat experience in assault companies by allowing the death of those who gained real combat experience. After replenishment, the commander leads novices who have never smelled gunpowder.

The bloody bravado in the style of “I killed five assault battalions for this village” sounds very interesting, doesn’t it?

- from TG channel “Vault 8” 12:38 AM · Jul 30, 2025 ·.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:00 am to
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:50 am to
7 killed, 21 injured in Russian attacks on Ukraine over past day

July 30, 2025 10:48 am

At least seven civilians were killed and 21 others injured in Russian attacks across Ukraine over the past 24 hours, regional officials reported on July 30.

Ukraine's Air Force said Russia launched 78 Shahed-type attack drones and decoy drones overnight. Air defenses intercepted 51, while 27 drones struck seven locations. Debris from downed drones also landed in two other areas.

The military said the wave of attacks was repelled using aircraft, mobile fire teams, electronic warfare units, and air defense systems.

In Kharkiv Oblast, six people were killed and eight injured as Russian forces struck the city of Kharkiv and nine surrounding settlements, Governor Oleh Syniehubov reported.

One civilian was killed and seven were injured in Donetsk Oblast, including in the town of Kostiantynivka, according to Governor Vadym Filashkin.

Russian attacks also injured two civilians in Kherson Oblast, where strikes targeted critical infrastructure and residential areas, Governor Oleksandr Prokudin said.

In Sumy Oblast, Russian forces injured two women in FPV (first-person-view) drone strikes, part of a broader campaign targeting 30 settlements in the region, local officials said.

In Dnipropetrovsk Oblast, two people were injured in Russian strikes, Governor Serhii Lysak reported.

The latest assault comes as Russia continues to reject Kyiv's calls for an unconditional ceasefire and relies more on large-scale drone strikes against Ukrainian cities.

The Kyiv Independent
Posted by VolSquatch
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:53 am to
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He stated this in his 2007 speech in Munich to a stunned crowd that the largest catastrophic event of the 20th century was the collapse of the USSR. Not one single sane person outside of Russia believes that to be true



Do you even know what the conversation is about?

DoubleB claimed Putin has publicly stated that he wants to conquer multiple NATO countries, in addition to Ukraine.

The Ukraine part of that is obviously true, its literally happening right now lmao. The entire statement as a whole, however, is not true because of the NATO part.

So no, he did not state anything in the 2007 Munich speech related to taking over multiple NATO countries, which is what we were discussing. Glad to have you caught up.

Someone will be talking about something and you'll run off on a mostly, if not entirely, unrelated rant about some random shite like "I sold some refinery equipment to a very gay man from Moscow in 1960, we ate crackers together and talked about the weather for 12 hours"
Posted by VolSquatch
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Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:54 am to
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Putin's nuclear blackmail not only involves him using nukes, himself, but Russian nukes ending up in Iran (a short boat ride down the Caspian) or with Islamic extremist groups in the former Soviet -stans, or even just central Russia.



I don't think thats Putin's blackmail, I think our intelligence agencies know that is exactly what would happen and want to prevent it.

Its not really blackmail if its something true that everyone knows. Most posters here even know that.
Posted by VolSquatch
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Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 6:55 am to
Disgusting traitor
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