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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:39 am to LARancher1991
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:39 am to LARancher1991
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You can make an argument that the SU-57 has been somewhat of a successful project
Last I saw they had made something like 20-25 total airframes since 2019. And that includes test versions, trainers, etc. And at least 2 have crashed. And others are grounded for lack of parts. Estimates of front line combat worthy aircraft are somewhere in the range of 10 or 15 at the most.
Meanwhile we have made something like 1300 F-35s that are currently in service (minus one in a crate in India).
The SU-57 can't be seen as anything other than a catastrophe
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Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:44 am to VolSquatch
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You constantly accuse me of trolling and now that I actually was, and was open about it, you don't believe me because you're embarrassed
Yea, that’s it I’m embarrassed
Keep hanging in there buddy. Another fish might be coming along any minute.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:47 am to No Colors
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Last I saw they had made something like 20-25 total airframes since 2019. And that includes test versions, trainers, etc. And at least 2 have crashed. And others are grounded for lack of parts. Estimates of front line combat worthy aircraft are somewhere in the range of 10 or 15 at the most.
Meanwhile we have made something like 1300 F-35s that are currently in service (minus one in a crate in India).
The SU-57 can't be seen as anything other than a catastrophe
Its probably a well designed piece of equipment that does what its supposed to do well, all things being equal. But when you factor in parts availability, manufacturability, etc it falls flat. And thats not even comparing it to US aircraft that it was really designed to compete with (and doesn't).
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:47 am to No Colors
I agree I guess what I mean by somewhat successful is the fact that it has participated in combat operations. Which is a lot more when compared to the other pieces of equipment I mentioned.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 11:48 am to doubleb
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Yea, that’s it I’m embarrassed
Good, you should be
Posted on 7/30/25 at 1:15 pm to VolSquatch
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The only logical reason you might do that is that you don't have enough men to encircle them and hold the rear part of the encirclement. Which I guess is possible, but still.
They've got - or had - plenty of men. The issue goes far, far deeper.
The Russians can't do combined arms, which is where infantry, armor, logistics and so on all work together to maximize their strengths and cover each other's weaknesses. The Russians don't have an NCO Corps, or its completely incompetent, which means they don't have capable on-the-ground managers who are technical experts and know how to get men moving, and their logistics are shite - everyone knows about the whole donkey thing.
Rommel, Patton, and Montgomery were all laughing at the Russians 80 years ago for these things, apparently nothing's changed, and as a result their ability to maneuver and go around things like cities is nonexistent.
As far as the casualties in Pokrovsk are concerned, there are multiple sources, this link will show you them:
LINK
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:10 pm to Leopold
The Russians used battalions to march through minefields to clear a path during WWII.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:16 pm to LARancher1991
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Yea I remember when the the first pictures of their latest military technology like the T-14, SU-57, and BMPT Terminator were released and everyone was saying that the Russians military technology has now become equal to or surpassed the west. I thought yea those will never see the light of day and if they do it won't be in any type of numbers to make a difference. You can make an argument that the SU-57 has been somewhat of a successful project but the other two have turned out to be hot garbage.
T-14 couldn't complete a parade in Red Square before breaking down.
SU-57 has always been a wannabe stealth fighter. They dare not risk it near the front.
FWIW, the actual record of their vaunted T-34 was sheer numbers not its actual design. They were hard to maneuver with hand cranks and their mechanical reliability limited them severely, after 300 miles they needed a complete overhaul. Many of them needed a complete overhaul after 100 miles. Russian tank crews actually preferred the Sherman which was more reliable and maneuverable. This is what they were using when then linked with US troops in Germany.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:31 pm to Leopold
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As far as the casualties in Pokrovsk are concerned, there are multiple sources, this link will show you them:
That’s the same link I provided, but he blew it off. Said he knew already, but was trolling.
And he says I should be embarrassed?
Posted on 7/30/25 at 2:58 pm to doubleb
That poster most be a woman. It sure does argue like one.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 3:27 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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Has Modi made a decision here? And who will get the contract payments? Maybe anticipating the economic effects of secondary sanctions, if they happen.
Secondary sanctions would cripple India's refining industry. It is refining Russian crude to ship products to Europe. These refined products were formerly supplied by Russia.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 3:30 pm to VolSquatch
They did take tens of thousands of casualties on Pokrovsk, they would attack in columns that got chewed up
Rubio said this a couple weeks ago:
The posters on this thread seem to refuse to acknowledge the massive Ukrainian casualties as well though. Its a slugfest where both sides are getting slaughtered
The UA Loss project (which is similar to the BBC/Mediazona where they only count confirmed deaths) has Ukraine as having lost over 150,000 (including missing). That does not include wounded. BBC/Mediazona has confirmed over 120,000 Russian dead (not including missing) for comparison
Ukraine admitted at the start of the year that they had over 380,000 wounded. I have not seen any good estimates for wounded on Ukraine or Russian side (little Z's word is certainly an undercount)
I wouldnt be surprised if total casualties between the two sides was nearing 2,000,000. Russia is able to absorb these losses, Ukraine is not. The average age of a KIA Ukrainian is 38.5 years old. They are already sending in the old men.
Rubio said this a couple weeks ago:
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“Since January of this year, as an example just to give you, on the Russian side, they’ve lost 100,000 soldiers—dead—not injured—dead. And on the Ukrainian side, the numbers are less but still very significant,” he said on July 10 during a visit to Malaysia.
The posters on this thread seem to refuse to acknowledge the massive Ukrainian casualties as well though. Its a slugfest where both sides are getting slaughtered
The UA Loss project (which is similar to the BBC/Mediazona where they only count confirmed deaths) has Ukraine as having lost over 150,000 (including missing). That does not include wounded. BBC/Mediazona has confirmed over 120,000 Russian dead (not including missing) for comparison
Ukraine admitted at the start of the year that they had over 380,000 wounded. I have not seen any good estimates for wounded on Ukraine or Russian side (little Z's word is certainly an undercount)
I wouldnt be surprised if total casualties between the two sides was nearing 2,000,000. Russia is able to absorb these losses, Ukraine is not. The average age of a KIA Ukrainian is 38.5 years old. They are already sending in the old men.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 3:39 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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They did take tens of thousands of casualties on Pokrovsk, they would attack in columns that got chewed up
Yeah I assumed it was at least 100k just in that area, which is wild. And its probably much more than that. I was trying to see if a certain poster could actually find a link that says what they think it says though.
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The posters on this thread seem to refuse to acknowledge the massive Ukrainian casualties as well though. Its a slugfest where both sides are getting slaughtered
Yeah I think some believe Ukrainians are bulletproof and haven't lost a single soldier
Posted on 7/30/25 at 3:44 pm to Leopold
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The Russians can't do combined arms, which is where infantry, armor, logistics and so on all work together to maximize their strengths and cover each other's weaknesses. The Russians don't have an NCO Corps, or its completely incompetent, which means they don't have capable on-the-ground managers who are technical experts and know how to get men moving, and their logistics are shite - everyone knows about the whole donkey thing.
Rommel, Patton, and Montgomery were all laughing at the Russians 80 years ago for these things, apparently nothing's changed, and as a result their ability to maneuver and go around things like cities is nonexistent.
As far as the casualties in Pokrovsk are concerned, there are multiple sources, this link will show you them:
Good post
Posted on 7/30/25 at 3:49 pm to CitizenK
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That poster most be a woman. It sure does argue like one.
You must be a they/them because you're confused at least half the time. Just earlier today you didn't even know what a conversation was about
All the Silicon Valley nonsense, calls from "friends" that supposedly have "connections", interjecting comments that have nothing to do with the subject etc are starting to sound like the delusions of a dementia patient.
This post was edited on 7/30/25 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 7/30/25 at 3:56 pm to CitizenK
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It is refining Russian crude to ship products to Europe.
Which would be out of reach of US sanctions. But Indian pharmaceuticals, electronics and investment grade gems and gold are not. (Yeah, I know, but they're the biggest goldbugs in the world...)
Also effected would be US foreign aid in all its forms, especially with the present climate in the White House. The Pakistanis would be glad to step in.
Time to find out who calls the shots in Delhi.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 3:57 pm to doubleb
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And he says I should be embarrassed?
You are embarrassed. I have a quote of you saying as much, which is more than you had about supposedly Putin saying his goal was invading multiple NATO countries.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 4:02 pm to Coeur du Tigre
No amount of sanctions or tariffs whether it be primary or secondary is going to make Putin call it quits. The simple fact is he can't quit. After years of war and massive amounts of casualties and equipment losses if he quits now it would destroy him in Russia. Only way this ends in 10 days is if the majority of Russian demands are met which also isn't happening.
Posted on 7/30/25 at 4:43 pm to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 7/30/25 at 5:17 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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I wouldnt be surprised if total casualties between the two sides was nearing 2,000,000. Russia is able to absorb these losses, Ukraine is not. The average age of a KIA Ukrainian is 38.5 years old. They are already sending in the old men.
I do not disagree. Casualties have been high on both sides. If I had to guess, I’d say it’s about 8 Russians casualties fo every 5 Ukrainian casualties. Nothing near the 1/30 the Russian spammers were alleging.
But with all that and with NK helping Russia, the Ukrainians are not giving much ground.
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