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The same government who denied the Russian military buildup on Ukraine’s eastern border in 2022 was a training exercise and not for an invasion of Ukraine? That’s who you believe?


Yeah, because they've got no reason to lie about it.

The Russians don't have a European style government, culture, outlook on life, or history. Peter the Great could decree anything he wanted to but that and pulling out traditional Russian beards or outlawing Russian dress wasn't going to change anything; if anything, the way he went about forcing these changes only reinforced the Russian way of doing business, it didn't change it. The Russian approach to life stayed the same, and it shows to this day.

And Putin and his ilk have repeated that mantra for a decade now, if not more. Dugan has written about it, Putin has repeatedly drawn a comparison to the EU and Europe as a whole, and there was and obviously still is a competition for hearts and minds.

I get that Russia edges, geographically and in other ways, into Europe but calling Russia European is like calling Texas 'Southern,' or 'Southwestern.' Even though there's geographical, historical, and cultural overlap with others it doesn't make Texas anything but Texas.

So, yeah, I'm with Ag on this one, believe it or not.

Russia is Russia. They aren't European.
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All the Russians I worked with when I worked in Moscow for over three years consistently told me they considered themselves to be European


Okay, and I believe you, but clearly their government doesn't see it this way and I'd argue this argument is at the foundation as to why this war is going on.

For nearly two generations, the West in general and Europe in particular tried to bring Putin and the Russians along towards joining us and it's failed. This isn't just my opinion - Putin, Lavrov, Dugan and the rest have repeatedly stated this and they are trying to drag Ukraine back into their sphere of inlfuence.

So, while there are certainly Russians who want to be European they are stuck in a war whose whole premise is against this, and furthermore it doesn't look good for them going forward. Once this war is over and Russia has lost what's most likely going to happen is they go backwards, not forward.
Joke's on you.

Vol only made it to fourth. :booboo:



I'm just kiddin' Vol.
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Everybody considers western Russia to be part of Europe which is where a majority of Russia’s population lives, dumbass.


Uh, not everybody:

Does Putin consider Russia to be European?

"Vladimir Putin generally does not consider Russia to be a strictly "European" nation in the modern Western sense, instead promoting the idea that Russia is a unique, independent "Eurasian" civilization. While recognizing Russia's historical and cultural ties to Europe, his rhetoric—particularly since the 2022 invasion of Ukraine—has focused on distinguishing Russia from the "collective West" and distancing it from European values, which he frequently characterizes as hostile"


Congrats, Ag, you finally got something right.
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The EU is sending a message to Hungarian voters...


Hungary is going to have to choose whether its going to go with Russia or with Europe.

In a logical world, this is as easy a choice as one could ever imagine, but we aren't living in a logical world right now.
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m sure Louisiana and Texas among others would be happy to provide a whole lot of LNG and oil products to Europe.


Ya mean we, as consumers, can get into a bidding war with Europe over our oil??

Forgive me if I don't see this as an ideal solution.
It's utterly amazing.

It's taken Donald a year to go from the country that others looked to for protection to a country that has to be protected from the bullies.
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There is far more evidence that he is an actual propagandist than there ever was for JB, who was deservedly banned along with all of his alts.


Horsh.t.

Tiger posts are overwhelmingly factual and it might be annoying - certainly even I get tired of it - but him posting constantly actual events is nowhere near JB consistently posting BS from unreliable twitter accounts and consistently lying about events. And that's before we start talking about his weird, creepy backstory, methodology, and positions - they ain't the same. And few, if any, Dman, think otherwise.

If you want to post things that are flat out wrong, you have that right, and you, Vol, take full advantage of it. It's not the same as open lying and the BS that comes from it.

Christ, this board is supposed to be a debate that represents educational institutions, even it is over athletics. It's amazing how dull some of ya'll are.
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Exactly. This is why I never thank vets that fought in Iraq. You certainly were defending me in Mosul, but I paid for it with my taxes.


Forgive me, but someone who risks their life in war (and gets constantly lied to in the process) isn't the same who pays one of the lower tax rates on earth.

And taxes were lowered during that time:

George W Bush lowered taxes

We put those wars on a national credit card. Our children - and probably grandchildren - are going to pay for it, not you and your generation.
Let me help you out, big guy.

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BREAKING NEWS: LEOPOLD KNOWS (based on decades of military experience and knowledge obtained from halfway reliable news sources) UKRAINE HAS AN ADVANTAGE


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Are you, by any chance, actually Pete Hegseth?


Tattoos are trashy so no


Well, we can agree on that at least.

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Tired: Russia is running out of money

Wired: Ukraine is running out of money


Reality: THEY'RE BOTH RUNNING OUT OF MONEY BECAUSE ITS A DAMN WAR.

The difference is Ukraine has not only has the largest combined economy in the world, the EU, backing them they've got hundreds of billions in frozen Russian assets that's going to be used in their defense.

So the advantage goes to the Ukraine.
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So Ukraine is helping the US and now the Saudis in the Iran war.


Volsquatch will be here later to either say this is a lie or explain how it’s bad.


The Ukrainians are actively helping us, saving the lives of our own troops, and the Trump administration is still trying to pin him losing in 2020 on them.

Jesus Christ this administration sucks.
Iran may have as many as 100,000 drones, and they are going to send them in swarms against our troops. The idea we are just going to send light infantry in mass against this number of drones is asinine and I pray that Cain has a plan for this because I know Donald and Pete don't.

I spent three years in the 82nd. Holy Crap am I glad I'm not being sent over.
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You shouldn't need any help waking up. You either don't have any problem waking up at 3am to spam this thread first thing in the morning or you're on some European time. I'll guess the latter.


Are you, by any chance, actually Pete Hegseth?
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Eventually they won't if Russian recruitment can stay at or above casualty levels.


They’ve been above it for four years now, Vol, and they couldn’t do squat. You think something is going to change now???

The Ukrainians have now neutralized Russia’s only real remaining advantage. I’d argue it’s now a real possibility that Ukraine can actually‘win’ this war, depending upon how you define ‘win.’
It’s utterly amazing.

The Ukrainians have chronic personnel shortages and yet the Russians still can’t do jacks!t against them.

A year from now the Ukrainians are still going to be shorthanded and the Russians are still going to be screwing it up.
Go easy on TexasAg. The Aggies got routed yesterday against Houston, so he's still recovering, as you can see:

For God's sake, don't show this to Vol, it might mean that the Ukrainians are " developing warfare technology (and other things, like tactics) that will end up saving us more money (and lives) than we spent on them." (parenthesis mine)

Or, at least, the US military thinks they are, else why would we be going to them?

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Once again, nice job Tiger.
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That was the claim being discussed. I provided a counter point that we will want to produce our own drones vs rely on anyone else (much less Ukraine) for them.


Apparently, you don't realize there's a difference between developing and production.

But, hey, keep button mashing. It's going over real well here.
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This is both false and incredibly stupid.


Everyone has a problem with this comment but no one has provided any persuasive evidence to support the one it's criticizing.


We've done it constantly, Vol, you and Ag just ignore it and go into ya'lls little make-believe land. I myself have posted multiple times on how Ukraine is now the #1 drone producer on the planet, how they are considered the best in the world, how we, the United States, are now asking for their help in this wartime endeavor, and I've see Tiger do it so much people just scroll past it - especially you. It's incredibly persuasive to anybody not quietly rooting either for the Russians or against the Ukrainians.

Christ, this is what's wrong with our whole country. You can constantly point to facts and use literally hundreds of verified sources to do so and fools just go "Meh, you didn't do anything to persuade me." Goddamn the internet.