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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict.

Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:45 pm to
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2299 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

The majority of Americans actually don't want to support Ukraine for "as long as it takes" per polling done but the university of Maryland.

When asked about aid amounts, the largest amount of respondents said that current aid levels were "too much".

The majority of Americans support Ukraine in a narrative sense, but in terms of actual actions in supporting them it's much more mixed.

And the questions on that survey weren't exactly neutral either.


Yeah, I agree that not only is American support more tepid than some believe but that it's honestly a bit seasonal.

But where JB was a troll, and you and I honestly disagree, Ag is just a fool with a keyboard.
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41306 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 7:52 pm to
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Ag is just a fool with a keyboard.


Most of what I’ve predicted has happened. Most of what you type is wishful thinking.

Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41306 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 8:02 pm to
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He's got to be a Russian agent


Oh sure
Posted by Leopold
Columbia
Member since Sep 2013
2299 posts
Posted on 11/25/25 at 9:09 pm to
Oh, absolutely.

You’ve been a veritable geyser of insight and wisdom.

Good luck against Texas. We’ll agree on that.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 5:17 am to
A few people here need to listen to this:

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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4339 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 5:24 am to
Igor Girkin weighs in. Always good to get the unvarnished and realistic take on the Russian situation from someone who knows all the players and suffers no denial.

Possibly the only Russian source of any credibility. Yes, in spite of being a war criminal and mass murderer... I'm not suggesting we invite him for dinner but this is one of those guys that thinks clearly when everyone else is panicking.




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1/ Igor 'Strelkov' Girkin warns from his jail cell that Ukraine and the EU have no reason to accept the Dmitriev-Witkoff proposals to end the war, because Russia is currently incapable of inflicting a strategic defeat on Ukraine, despite local tactical victories.

2/ The imprisoned Girkin has posted a lengthy analysis of the context of the 28-point plan (he says that he has not yet read the full content of the points, "which our media modestly remained silent about").

3/ In a perspective which likely reflects that of powerful factions within the Russian security establishment (with which he has been closely linked), he sees the situation as overall negative for Russia, with the fiasco surrounding the plan hurting its own people's morale:

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4/ "[A]s I expected, the EU and so-called "Ukraine" have decisively rejected a "settlement" that would require any territorial (or other) concessions right out of the gate.

5/ "Simply because things are going well for them, and they have absolutely no reason to fear a collapse of the front and military defeat in the coming months -

6/ …surely the fall of Kupiansk (one of the average district centers in the Kharkiv region) after a SIX-YEAR-LONG ASSASSINATION isn't a "strategic defeat"?

7/ "Kyiv and the EU capitals understand perfectly well that neither Kupiansk, nor Pokrovsk, nor even Orikhiv, Huliaipole, and other towns and villages will bring the Russian Armed Forces a real victory unless the Ukrainian Armed Forces are routed in their capture.

8/ "And they HAVE NOT BEEN ROUTED. And they cannot be routed in a situation where the Russian Armed Forces only have the forces for tactical operations, but the forces for strategic operations are either completely absent or insufficient for their successful implementation.


9/ "(After all, our army currently does not even have the forces for an effective occupation of even left-bank Ukraine, even if, suddenly, the Ukrainian Armed Forces were to retreat across the Dnipro along its entire length!)

10/ "Therefore, the only real threat to the enemy is the moral breakdown of their own active army—when the mass of soldiers and commanders (the overwhelming majority) decide for themselves that "victory is impossible,…

11/ …defeat is inevitable, and there is no longer any point in sacrificing their lives for 'all this.'" So far, apparently, this has not happened (and reports from the front confirm this).

12/ "Yes, it seems some units and formations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces have become less resilient in combat, the percentage of "ideologically motivated" soldiers has fallen, and the number of prisoners and those willing to surrender has increased.

13/ "But! Overall, the enemy continues to fight very stubbornly and in the most dangerous areas (Kharkiv and Zaporizhzhia) – fighting for every hill, every house, every forest stand – as a result of which our tactical successes there are minimal or nonexistent.

14/ "This means that for some time, the Kyiv scum and their masters in Europe (and the US!) have nothing to worry about – they can continue preparing for the intervention in a relatively calm manner, preparing for war seriously and thoroughly.

15/ "What about us? Our military successes (albeit very limited) have "superimposed" on Trump's points, once again providing some illusion of a quick deal (though there's no sign of one, not just now, but in the medium term at all).

16/ "I can note that the expectation of a quick peace has even penetrated the ranks of the convicted (although it is viewed with scepticism by virtually everyone who is truly capable of thinking).

17/ "In this regard, the latest disappointment reduces society's already low motivation to steadfastly endure the hardships and privations of the Special Military Operation.

18/ "And these depressive moods will only grow, and the remnants of trust in the government (already very insignificant) will quickly evaporate.

19/ "This, of course, will be contributed to not only by growing economic and (consequently) social problems, but also by escalating strikes (drones and missiles) from former "respected partners," which our media stubbornly (and foolishly!) ignore in more than 90% of cases,…

20/ …providing abundant grounds for the same growing distrust of the government and the masses' rejection of any official state propaganda. And this—in the context of a civil war (essentially)—is the most dangerous thing of all!

21/ "Even ordinary people, inexperienced in politics, already view the government with great scepticism, and tomorrow (as has already happened in the most tragic moments of our history), scepticism will give way to rejection, which enemies…

22/ …(not Putin's!—the enemies of Russia and the Russian people!) will certainly try to exploit.

23/ "There is still time to change the situation.But for positive change to occur, "super-efforts" are already necessary, which are in no way contained within the hardened framework of a semi-war period and are completely impossible without radical personnel changes…

24/ …in the leadership of the Special Military Operation, industry, the ideological sphere, and (very important!) foreign policy initiatives.

If nothing changes, we face a catastrophe. And one that our state (in its previous historical form) may not survive."

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This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 6:12 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
5647 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 6:24 am to
Trump halted supply of Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine after October call with Putin

November 26, 2025, 03:51 AM

U.S. President Donald Trump decided against transferring Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine after a phone call with Russian President Vladimir Putin in October, The Wall Street Journal reported on Nov. 25, citing American officials.

Though Trump had previously voiced concerns about depleting U.S. missile stockpiles, the conversation with Putin convinced him to definitively withhold the weapons, the report said. The call took place on Oct. 16 — one day before Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's White House visit.

A transcript of an Oct. 14 call between Trump's special envoy Steve Witkoff and Putin's aide Yuri Ushakov, published by Bloomberg, shows the two men arranged the leaders' conversation. During that exchange, Witkoff suggested that Putin call Trump shortly before Zelenskyy's arrival.

Zelenskyy traveled to Washington, hoping Trump would approve the long-range missiles, but the effort failed.

In the Oct. 16 call, Putin warned Trump that sending the missiles would "escalate the war" and harm the U.S.-Russia relations, WSJ reported.

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Posted by Tigerdad2001
Watson
Member since Sep 2013
991 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 7:01 am to
Security guarantees apparently don't mean a lot. What happen to the guarantees when Ukraine agreed to give up their nukes?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 8:16 am to
quote:

They have reasons to think that if they don't look at the entire picture.



I mean, that's a possibility, but it is also a possibility that they know something that other people do not. The curious state of European rearmament and redeployment suggests something else, I think.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 8:18 am to
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It’s apparent to me that both sides have very good reasons to sign a peace deal, but I can’t see Ukraine leaving themselves unprotected; nor can I see them giving away land that thousands died to defend and that Russia has failed to take.



Without an actual functional guarantees, no peace in this region will be lasting. Again, the defense economics of the region portend one thing.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
21123 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 9:58 am to
quote:

Most of what you type is wishful thinking.




Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42611 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:36 am to
Those are drive by posters. The war is far from over unfortunately.

I’m old enough to remember the Viet Nam war negotiations. They took over three years.

Of course once the Commies saw an advantage they broke the treaty.
This post was edited on 11/26/25 at 11:02 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
134871 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 10:44 am to
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:10 am to
quote:

Who are they convincing? World leaders know the game here.


There's one world leader who seems dense about that subject.
Posted by Lee B
Member since Dec 2018
3946 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 11:14 am to
I feel like this board would've called this guy an unreasonable lunatic...

Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 12:28 pm to
quote:

mean, that's a possibility, but it is also a possibility that they know something that other people do not. The curious state of European rearmament and redeployment suggests something else, I think


I agree with your logic, that's what I'm thinking in regards to Russia though. All of these refineries hit, all of this economic damage, seemingly almost unheard of casualty numbers. And yet they barely pretend they are willing to discuss peace at all and won't follow through with it.

If it really were the fantasy situation some on this board throw out where "Putin doesn't have a choice" there would be a coup within his inner circle because they are going down too if he does. They aren't going to just let him keep sending in troops until they run out, and oh yeah they also have no economy now either.
Posted by VolSquatch
First Coast
Member since Sep 2023
8364 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

I feel like this board would've called this guy an unreasonable lunatic...


If he were saying that in regards to an unimportant country on the other side of the globe, maybe
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4339 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 1:57 pm to
With all this nonsense about peace agreements popping up, let's look at some of the background as the Ukrainians and Europeans see it.

Let's start with Witkoff himself. Who is he and what's his story? I mean, let's cut to the chase - here's the question everyone is asking: How can anyone that stupid be a billionaire?

Here we go...












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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
4339 posts
Posted on 11/26/25 at 3:14 pm to
And just like clockwork, Putin very publically pulls down TACO's pants for the... how many times is it now?


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
It was just outside of Barstow...
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 11/26/25 at 3:17 pm to
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