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Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:53 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:53 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:20 am to
The media-outlet-for-hire Axios doubles down on an already catastrophic series of plants from the Wikoff-Kushner team. They now have reached that rarified level in journalism called 'negative credibility' - readers know to believe the opposite of what they print. What readers they have left...


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When did Axios become the American Pravda?
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Axios is clearly just printing what Vance tells them. That's okay - every administration has a useful journalistic outlet for their perspective. But don't mistake this 'reporting' as journalism.
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Do Witkoff, Dmitriev and their reliable relays in the media imagine that the party which eavesdropped on these calls to Ushakov only intercepted these two conversations? Or might there be others with equally or even more compromising content being held in reserve?
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Putin throws the plan in the trash and will only accept complete control of Ukraine and these dopes are still arguing anonymously through Barack Ravid and Axios.
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This is the same Rubio who told senators that the plan was made by Russia and he had nothing to do with it? they are doing damage control now to show a unified front


Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:27 am to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:31 am to
GOP starts the process of the adults taking control -

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U.S. lawmakers are calling for Steve Witkoff to be removed from Ukraine war negotiations

The demand follows Bloomberg’s publication of transcripts of his conversations with Russian representative Yuri Ushakov. Republican congressman Don Bacon said Witkoff is “completely on Russia’s side” and “cannot be trusted.” He called for the special envoy to be fired, saying Witkoff has discredited himself.

“Could a paid Russian agent do any worse? He should be fired,” Bacon wrote.

Republican Brian Fitzpatrick and Democrat Ted Lieu also called the situation serious and accused Witkoff of betraying U.S. interests.

The scandal erupted after it became known that Witkoff had discussed a potential Trump–Putin call with Ushakov by phone and even offered advice on how to approach negotiations in a way that would appeal to the U.S. president.

The Telegraph notes that Witkoff advised Ushakov to “shower Trump with praise,” which casts doubt on the entire negotiation process and suggests an excessive closeness to Moscow.

Sky News calls Witkoff a “useful idiot” who has increased the dangers for Ukraine and Europe. Under normal circumstances, the outlet writes, such an official would be fired as “hopelessly compromised,” but under Trump, scandals “have stopped meaning anything.”
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:46 am to
I know it's Rivalry Weekend but the search for the source of the two (so far) Witkoff leaks is too crazy to put off. The OSINT gnomes are in meltdown mode.

Here we go - and there is no TLDR version -


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CRITICAL DEVELOPMENT! Someone Is Inside the Kremlin's Walls

Follow-Up Analysis: The Real Revelation Hidden in the European SIGINT Leak

The reporting on the intercepted calls involving U.S. presidential evoy Steve Witkoff, Vladimir Putin’s foreign policy adviser Yuri Ushakov, and sanctioned Russian financier and head of Russia's Sovereign Fund Kirill Dmitriev has now entered a new phase.

The first round of our analysis only focused on the content of the Witkoff - Usakov call and the fact that Europe revealed any intercept at all. The real story, however, only comes into focus when the Dmitriev–Ushakov leak is examined on its own merits.

The Witkoff call could have been intercepted because Witkoff used an unsecured phone. That would compromise only one side of the communication. It would be embarrassing and politically explosive, but it would not reveal anything about European visibility inside the Russian state.

The Ushakov–Dmitriev call is an entirely different category of signal. It is not something that can be captured by monitoring a single insecure handset. This was a conversation between two hardened Kremlin communications nodes inside Russian territory. Russia treats these channels as strategic assets. They sit behind layered encryption, physical compartmentalization, and continuous counterintelligence monitoring. Their compromise is viewed inside the Russian system as a direct national-security breach.

There is no world in which that intercept can be explained as a lucky catch. It is evidence of penetration. It is evidence of access. It is evidence that a European intelligence service is inside a Russian secure pathway that Moscow believed was locked down.

And here is the most important point. Europe did not accidentally leak it. Europe burned that access on purpose. This is not the behavior of a single rogue country freelancing. This is the behavior of an alliance making a calculated decision. To release a Kremlin-level SIGINT product is to throw away a crown jewel capability. Services spend years, sometimes decades, cultivating that kind of window. To reveal it intentionally is to choose immediate strategic effect over long-term operational access.

The fact that Europe made that choice tells us something profound. They judged the risks posed by U.S.–Russia shadow diplomacy to be so great that they were willing to destroy one of their own most valuable sources to stop it.

The timing is not a coincidence wither. The intercept comes at the same moment European governments were blindsided by the 28-point plan drafted in Miami with Russian participation. At the same moment their diplomats were cut out. At the same moment the U.S. administration pushed a Russia-forward proposal without consultation and rapid unvetted approval. At the same moment Moscow attempted to frame the West as obstructionist.

Europe looked at that picture and made a strategic decision. They signaled that they were monitoring the Miami channel and that those conducting it should assume they are visible. They also signaled to the Kremlin that European penetration of Russian communications infrastructure is not hypothetical. It is operational.

This was not a message written in words. It was written in the choice of what to leak and what to withhold. The benign slice they chose to release, rather than the damaging content they kept, follows a classic intelligence pattern. When a service wants to send a warning without blowing up the geopolitical environment, it releases the smallest possible piece that demonstrates access.

That leaves the final question. Why now?

From an OSINT perspective, the answer is straightforward. Europe decided that stopping Russian influence operations inside the U.S. national decision chain now outweighs the cost of exposing their capabilities. They also signaled to the White House that any attempt to run off-book diplomacy with Moscow will not be uncontested. The warning was calibrated and unmistakable.

Someone in Europe sent a message so clear that anyone who has ever worked behind classified doors can feel the shift. They did not reveal the conversation. They revealed the system behind it. They revealed they are inside it. They revealed they are watching.

And for the actors who built the Miami channel, that changes everything. Their private discussions were never private. Their assumption of secrecy was never real. Their belief that they were moving unseen was incorrect. Europe did not just publish a leak. Europe fired a warning shot. It crossed oceans. It landed in two capitals.

And it hit its mark.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 5:07 am to
Frey - who sees the FSB footprint everywhere - is not buying it. He has a point. What's interesting is the uncovering of a new tribe within the FSB - 'The Family 2.0'. Well, new to me anyway. Hopefully they have their sponsors... they are going up against the Siloviki.

Well, here's too much info on what the FSB may or may not have been doing lately -




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You only see that if you actually understand what’s going on inside the Kremlin right now. 2/4










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Ushakov in the Broader Factional Landscape
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Benefits to the “Siloviki” Faction 4/4






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Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 8:52 am to
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As long as it's part of a peace deal and not just doing out of hand, I really don't see why this matters or why people make too big a deal out of it either way. The US didn't recognize Moroccan control of Western Sarah until the first Trump term and you can see that really made all the difference /s.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 9:50 am to
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Trump is ready to recognize rf’s control over Crimea as part of a peace deal, — The Telegraph.

Well, what does Ukraine get in return? I guess Ukraine doesn't know as they have not been consulted nor have the European partners been consulted.

Just another attempt by Putin to intimidate the Ukrainians into accepting his maximalist demands. It didn't work the four or five times he tried it before, it won't work now.

The Russians aren't losing this war, they've already lost. Their kompromat on TACO is their only hope. As soon as Witkoff is sidelined, Putin will have no one to talk TACO out of giving the Ukrainians the Tomahawks.
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 11:18 am to
Yermak steps down as Zelenskyy plans government overhaul -NV



President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced on Nov. 28 that Andriy Yermak had submitted his resignation as chief of staff amid U.S. peace talks and a wider political shake-up.

In his evening address, Zelenskyy said the move comes against the backdrop of peace plan negotiations with the United States, adding that he wants to avoid “rumors and speculation.”

According to Zelenskyy, Ukraine now needs “internal strength,” and there must be no distractions from defending the country.

“I want there to be no questions about Ukraine. That’s why we are taking internal steps today: the Office of the President of Ukraine will be reset. Chief of Staff Andriy Yermak has submitted his resignation,” he said. “I’m grateful to Andriy for the fact that Ukraine’s position at the negotiating table was always presented as it should be. It was always a patriotic position. But I want to prevent rumors and speculation.”

Zelenskyy said he would hold consultations on Nov. 29 with potential candidates to replace Yermak.
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Posted by trinidadtiger
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 11:45 am to
With the severe power outages on a daily basis in Ukraine, shouldnt they focus more on protecting their cities than wasting time, energy, and money throwing firecrackers at russian refineries a 1,000 miles away?

A poor 80 year old woman who walks up and down 8 flights of stairs only to find the bakery has no bread and returns to her flat with no water or power.....she really doesnt care that cargo pants is firecracking some place a 1000 miles away so his handlers will pay him for another villa.

Lets see another one of those polls where every ukranian loves zelensky, performed by a USAID news org......
Posted by cypher
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:31 pm to
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 12:58 pm to
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 2:24 pm to
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A warehouse storing batteries unexpectedly caught fire at the Alabuga special economic zone, covering around 25 000 sq.m. Over 300 people were evacuated.


Good news.

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There was a large fire at a 25,000 sq.m battery warehouse in Russia's Alabuga Special Economic Zone. It required evacuation of over 300 people.

Alabuga SEZ in Tatarstan hosts a factory producing Shahed/Geran-2 drones for Russia's war in Ukraine, built with Iranian and Chinese tech, and has endured multiple Ukrainian drone strikes since 2024, destroying millions in drone components.

The "unexpected" fire raises sabotage suspicions amid the site's military role. Russian sources have attributed it to an accident without confirmed evidence.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 2:30 pm to
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Posted by Leopold
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 2:46 pm to
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With the severe power outages on a daily basis in Ukraine, shouldnt they focus more on protecting their cities than wasting time, energy, and money throwing firecrackers at russian refineries a 1,000 miles away?


Uh, no.

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A poor 80 year old woman who walks up and down 8 flights of stairs only to find the bakery has no bread and returns to her flat with no water or power.....she really doesnt care that cargo pants is firecracking some place a 1000 miles away so his handlers will pay him for another villa.



Yes, she does. She knows exactly what the problem is.


Jesus, some people.
Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:05 pm to
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President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced on Nov. 28 that Andriy Yermak had submitted his resignation as chief of staff amid U.S. peace talks and a wider political shake-up.
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Yermak was seen a big problem for Zelensky in these negotiations. A common refrain among Europeans was that Yermak's suspected involvement in the Energoatom affair was being used by the anti-Ukraine faction in the U.S. to jam through this Dmitriev plan. His resignation (in theory) removes a major vulnerability for Zelensky and his European backers in resisting American pressure.
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Would imagine the Europeans, who have been talking of the need for Ze to "clean house" (a phrase I've heard repeatedly in the last few days and was recently quoted in @shustry 's piece), told Ze they couldn't help him unless he helped himself.


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Posted by Coeur du Tigre
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 3:13 pm to
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 4:19 pm to
So why exactly is he handing in his resignation?
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 5:41 pm to
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So why exactly is he handing in his resignation?


The precise explanation was exactly 2 posts above yours. But I doubt you were actually interested.
Posted by ticklechain
Forgotten coast
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Posted on 11/28/25 at 6:34 pm to
Why do you doubt that?
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