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Lab leak theory has holes.

Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:16 am
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:16 am

Non-scientists who push the lab theory are fond of saying that it was "gain of function" experiments at Wuhan Virology that produced the virus. This is borderline woo. Gain of function sounds menacing but it is a basic experimental tool. The question is gain of WHAT function? (Gain of function is basically just using natural selection in the lab to change the expression of some gene or set of genes under investigation.)

What I am trying to get at is that SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) is a weird virus by any standard. The protein spike it uses to latch onto ACE2 (this is how it infects cells) is just WEIRD, according to the virologists I have read. It doesn't work all that well with human ACE2, but its protein spike is versatile, able to work cross-species. This is why the virus is unusual in easily spreading from humans to animals--minks, tigers, dogs, you name it. It is promiscuous in terms of host. That also probably contributes to how diverse human reactions are to it too. And that diversity of reactions--the fact that it actually does NOT act the way a weapon would--is what has made it much more difficult to contain than SARS was, for example. This virus does not act like a weapon anyone would design--it is not AT ALL like other known bioweapons.

The virus itself does not support any claim that it was deliberately weaponized. It does not remotely follow the known principles of bioweapon design. It does not use any of the known "backbones" of synthetic virus design. This leaves the possibility of accidental release.

Even if Wuhan Virology was doing potentially unsafe "gain of function" research with coronaviruses, what were they trying to test in making this virus? The furin cleavage, the furin cleavage, skeptics cry! Meh. Just because there is no explanation YET for a feature is not evidence that the feature is artificial--down that road intelligent design awaits, y'all.

We KNOW that SARS-CoV-2 readily recombines with other strains in hosts. Genetic analysis shows that it is the product of recombination, which is why they thought pangolins may have been an intermediary at first--the virus has pangolin coronavirus genes. But cladistics suggests it went from pangolins BACK into bats. That analysis is based on genetic sampling of different coronavirus strains.

I think this is why most scientists remain skeptical. It is certainly possible the virus was made in a lab (through recombination) and accidentally released. But there is absolutely no need for any lab to have played a role. Unless real evidence emerges that the virus came from a lab, we should regard a lab release as nothing but a nebulous possibility. The fact that China has been dishonest is not evidence that the virus came from its labs--China has MANY reasons to cover up how badly it botched its response.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68313 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:18 am to
because it was on purpose
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1447 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:18 am to
Nice try. So you had to type all of that horse shite all by your little self?
Posted by Hobnailboot
Minneapolis
Member since Sep 2012
6094 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:18 am to
It came from China. It's the China Virus. That's all that matters. Call it the right name and know that a terrible country did terrible things to allow it to spread around the world and should be held accountable.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:19 am to
Bioweapon
Posted by LoneStarRanger
Texas/Europe
Member since Aug 2018
2404 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:19 am to
Put your thesaurus down, you can’t fix stupid
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
29792 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:21 am to
Right. It’s more plausible that it originated in bat soup in a wet market across the street from where they were researching the virus. Derp.

This post was edited on 5/28/21 at 9:23 am
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16312 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:21 am to
Is your degree in virology or any science? What is your current job function and does it relate in any way to root cause analysis of a problem?

It is clear that this is a manipulated virus that was either:

1. accidentally released
2. intentionally released

There is too much smoke and has been there since last year for this just to be a natural event.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:21 am to
+1
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62442 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:22 am to
All that is BS...It’s like a backbending to disprove that they experimented till they found something to crossover to attack specifically, the human ACE receptor....They targeted human crossover. You may say that’s the point of “gain of function “, but most believe this was intentional, as I do...
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2637 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:22 am to
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but the fact that there wasn’t more skepticism about it when it happened is alarming when you consider the virus just happened to start in the same city where it was being studied in a lab.

I’m not saying it was on purpose, but it merits investigation when they were studying this exact virus in a lab located in the ground zero city. That’s just basic logic.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
11711 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:23 am to
1.). Not accidentally released
Posted by TigahTeeth
Georgia
Member since Feb 2016
5183 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:23 am to
Sure it has holes. Obviously a guy ate a bat and infected the entire world with a virus in 3 months is much more plausible. Lol
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:24 am to
OP:

Try harder.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27969 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:24 am to
quote:

It does not remotely follow the known principles of bioweapon design.

Do you think the Chinese wanted a weapon that will kill a lot of their biggest customers? They just wanted a bio-weapon that would cripple our manufacturing.
Posted by Laaz2750
Los Angeles
Member since Aug 2008
8381 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:25 am to
quote:

The virus itself does not support any claim that it was deliberately weaponized.


This is not the argument most people are making.
Posted by Captain Rumbeard
Member since Jan 2014
4099 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:25 am to
It doesn't require it to be a bioweapon to have escaped that lab.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58762 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:25 am to
quote:

The virus itself does not support any claim that it was deliberately weaponized. It does not remotely follow the known principles of bioweapon design.


What does this mean?
Posted by indianswim
Plano, TX
Member since Jan 2010
18792 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:25 am to
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111529 posts
Posted on 5/28/21 at 9:26 am to
Lol
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