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re: La. special session no. 3: We now know exactly what is getting cut.

Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:42 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89716 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:42 pm to
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LSU-A should be knocked back to a 2 year school.


If anything let LSU-A absorb most/all of NSU - way more people in CENLA than in middle-of-nowhere, NWLA, but not quite to Shreveport/Bossier, that Natchitoches is.

I posted not too long ago that you can fit most of Natchitoches and surrounding 4 or 5 parishes into Tiger Stadium. Folks in that area are maybe and hour/hour fifteen from either Shreveport or Alexandria.

Shitty as it might be, Alexandria/Pineville is a legit metro area and it's centrally located to serve as many or more Louisiana residents as the relatively larger cities at the corners.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
23417 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 2:50 pm to
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I like the idea of combining schools, because we know they won't willingly close schools anywhere near their home districts. What are the chances of combining schools? how would that look to their constituents? I think it could and needs to be done asap.


You're really only saving administrative costs by doing that. Some savings sure but it's not going to get this budget fixed.

The legislature has totally failed the kids of this state. If they want to keep all of these institutions open, they need to fund them properly and make them first class. If not, close them down.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36358 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 3:25 pm to
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he is making that up jus to make Honor Code look better.


Initially we were told it wouldn't cost anything plus it would save overall.

Two years later, and into the third year I am not hearing the numbers. I wonder what they are now.
Posted by Adajax
Member since Nov 2015
6184 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 3:30 pm to
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Really outside of ULL, SLU, UNO, LSU, and ULM every school should be up for discussion.


LA TECH >>>> ULM, SLU
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
5907 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 3:42 pm to
We the voters are to blame for this. We elect the same people to represent us every time. We can keep blaming the other party or we can stand up to both parties and direct the will of the people . Or we can just come to TD and Facebook and insult each other and elect the same people and expect a different result.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37208 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:39 pm to
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And then the money will be distributed on a prorated basis to those agencies that aren't "protected." (It's more complicated than that but basically).


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It was a pretty shrewd move by the governor. So now unless they raise all the money he wants, TOPS will not be fully funded.


I'm like 99.9 percent sure, the budget, as passed by the legis and signed by the governor, spelled out very specifically what would happen if the revenue raising targets were not met.

The legislature put that limitation on themselves.

If it was a "shrewd move" by JBE... then that means JBE is smarter than the legislators... a scary proposition!
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37208 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:42 pm to
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The only explanation is the overwhelming majority of lawmakers secretly love the restrictions.


It protects special interests and lobbyists, and is basically protected pork. Asking them to do away with it is asking them to do something in the best interests of the state as a whole, rather than the best interests of themselves/their districts.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37208 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:43 pm to
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And in 2012 it was 29%.


Might be closer to 40% if most of our grads stayed in LA.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37208 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 4:45 pm to
Combining schools might save a few bucks in administrative costs. I don't think it will be that much.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14522 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 5:07 pm to
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I'm like 99.9 percent sure, the budget, as passed by the legis and signed by the governor, spelled out very specifically what would happen if the revenue raising targets were not met.

The legislature put that limitation on themselves.

If it was a "shrewd move" by JBE... then that means JBE is smarter than the legislators... a scary proposition!


Well it was amended that way by the JBE allied Senate and House decided to accept it rather than go into the new year without a budget.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14522 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 5:08 pm to
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We the voters are to blame for this. We elect the same people to represent us every time. We can keep blaming the other party or we can stand up to both parties and direct the will of the people .


The voters want more services and lower taxes. Their will needs to sometimes be taken with a grain of salt.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37208 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 5:11 pm to
When do we get to discuss the legis protecting their budget from cuts? It's small potatoes, but looks terrible.
Posted by LSULaw2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2008
1697 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 5:58 pm to
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As I understand it, there was supposed to be some minor savings as LDH reclassified those on "regular" medicaid to expansion medicaid with it's better match rate. Not sure what that ended up being. 


This and expansion moved some people off of uncompensated care which has like a 60/40 match, thus supposedly bringing some more general fund savings.
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9682 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 6:40 pm to
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Doesn’t SLU have around 25k students?

Here are the Fall 2017 public university enrollment numbers (undergraduate + graduate), highest to lowest, from the state Board of Regents:

ETA - graduation rates (completing any level - at any instituation within 150% of normal time) in parenthesis.

Louisiana State University A&M: 31,446 (69.7%)
University of Louisiana - Lafayette: 17,511 (51.1%)
Southeastern Louisiana University: 14,321 (44.2%)
Louisiana Tech University: 12,839 (57.5%)
Northwestern State University: 10,761 (42.7%)
University of Louisiana - Monroe: 9,324 (47.6%)
University of New Orleans: 7,976 (39.6%)
McNeese State University: 7,644 (44.8%)
Southern University A&M: 6,459 (32.3%)
Nicholls State University: 6,398 (53.3%)
Louisiana State University - Shreveport: 5,996 (42.8%)
Grambling State University: 5,208 (36.7%)
Louisiana State University - Alexandria: 3,392 (29.0%)
Louisiana State University - Eunice: 3,067 (26.5%)
Southern University - Shreveport: 3,013 (12.7%)
Southern University - New Orleans: 2,546 (17.6%)

I left the LSU Health Sciences Centers in NOLA and Shreveport out because they are really in a different category.

If anyone's curious, here are the community/technical college numbers:

Delgado Community College: 14,240
Baton Rouge Community College: 7,940
Bossier Parish Community College: 6,734
South Louisiana Community College: 6,534
Northshore Technical Community College: 5,003
Louisiana Delta Community College: 3,676
Sowela Technical Community College: 3,347
Elaine P. Nunez Community College: 2,599
Central Louisiana Technical College: 2,469
River Parishes Community College: 2,342
L.E. Fletcher Technical Community College: 2,225
South Central Louisiana Technical College: 1,959
Northwest Louisiana Technical College: 1,137

TL;DR - we have 9 public four-year universities smaller than BRCC.
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 6:51 pm
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 6:50 pm to
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All this shite for JBE’s Medicaid expansion?


quote:

That actually reduces state dollars in this budget, jackass.



Pretty unbelievable this myth and bold faced lie still keeps getting peddled like it's some credible fact.

By it's own nature, any expansion of a government program will not save money at all.
This post was edited on 6/11/18 at 6:53 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36358 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 7:11 pm to
I have been asking for a link to prove his statement. I haven't seen one yet,but maybe he's still looking.

I'd like to know how much money we are saving by expanding Medicaid.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54244 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 7:17 pm to
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where cuts will be felt if they don't raise enough revenue to fully fund the spending plan.


It's so simple. Legalize and tax weed. As I posted the other day, the reason the government put an end to the Prohibition Era was because the government starting going broke. They failed to realize the amount of tax revenue generated by liquor. Saw this on the History Channel.
Posted by MrLSU
Yellowstone, Val d'isere
Member since Jan 2004
26118 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 7:19 pm to
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And higher ed is getting killed, as feared.


Kill it and force it to contract. This is what needs to be done yet none of these politicians have the balls to do it. No sales tax renewal!
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14522 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 8:40 pm to
Then you would see a reduction in UCC. I don’t think that is happening.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36358 posts
Posted on 6/11/18 at 8:53 pm to
Jim
You are as knowledgeable or more knowledgeable about the state's budget, is Medicaid going to cost the state revenues next FY or not now that we have skin in the game as well as a larger enrollment than was first reported?
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