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re: Karmelo trial charging

Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:01 pm to
Posted by ChatGPT of LA
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:01 pm to
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am hard pressed to think of a criminal trial for a major crime that didn't include lesser offenses in the instructions.


Yes, we know dishing. But a lessor charge could be murder 2, or 3..or negligent...or any other fricking thing besides a watered down charge of manslaughter
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:01 pm to
Verdict in... about to be read shortly
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:02 pm to
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I think it’s a slam dunk for murder. But it’s a jury. Anything can happen.

It’s an all white jury in Dallas. They’re going to look for every reason to give him as little punishment as possible.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147280 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:03 pm to
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It’s an all white jury in Dallas.

False

There are no African-Americans on the jury... but it is far from all white

Half of the jury is either Indian, Middle Eastern, or Asian
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477904 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:05 pm to
Y'all are some emotional, uninformed people

Texas has lesser included charges automatically so this was always on the menu
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:05 pm to
Thank God.
You’re here.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:08 pm to
It appears people need help and I'm a nice guy
Posted by Ailsa
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:08 pm to
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It’s an all white jury in Dallas. They’re going to look for every reason to give him as little punishment as possible.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:09 pm to
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Yes. Well, not charged, but listed in the jury instructions. There is nothing to read into their inclusion in this case like so many here seem to be doing.


Emotional types looking for outrage and virtue signalling primed by dishonest content creators

Otherwise known as Tuesday on the political board these days
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
56131 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:34 pm to
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So actions like stabbing a person in the heart with a knife?

The question is whether he intended to wound or kill. In either event he would have stabbed. It’s rare for a person who was stabbed once to die. Most stab wounds are not fatal.

But notice you have retreated from your previous “proof” to something a little more sound.
This post was edited on 6/9/26 at 2:36 pm
Posted by TigerAxeOK
In the woods and by the waters.
Member since Dec 2016
38348 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:52 pm to
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Half of the jury is either Indian, Middle Eastern, or Asian

Well, none of those demographics are fond of black people. They'd have had a better chance at selecting an all-white jury and hoping to land a few with suicidal empathy.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37718 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:53 pm to
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Most stab wounds are not fatal.

On the flip side, the majority of stabbing murders are single stabbings.

Someone posted the stat and link in another one of these threads.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
20160 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 2:56 pm to
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The question is whether he intended to wound or kill. In either event he would have stabbed. It’s rare for a person who was stabbed once to die. Most stab wounds are not fatal.



That's true. People get stabbed all the time in prison especially during riots. However...imagine the force it would take to kill someone with a pocket knife to the chest. Brutal force.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
128946 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:10 pm to
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The question is whether he intended to wound or kill.


That might be an interesting question to you. It has no legal bearing.

The legal question is, did he intend to commit serious bodily harm?
Posted by Hback
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:14 pm to
Posted by holdmuh keystonelite
Member since Oct 2020
4845 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:49 pm to
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they coward out and go with manslaughter, this PoS could be out of jail in 15 years.

That's bullshi=.


Lol you serious? Most manslaughter charges are no more then like 8 years.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
24030 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 3:56 pm to
[quote]It’s rare for a person who was stabbed once to die. Most stab wounds are not fatal.[/quote

The old stab to the heart warning.... no intention of hurting or killing.

Come to think of it.... pretty much everyone I knew in high school went to track meets with a knife ready to be pulled out of a bag or backpack.

Dude did nothing any of us wouldn't have done. We are apparently all the same.
Posted by BuckeyeGoon
Member since Jan 2025
1247 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 4:07 pm to
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But notice you have retreated from your previous “proof” to something a little more sound.

What did I retreat from? My position was just we have to use all available evidence to determine a person's intent because its literally impossible to know what's inside another person's head.

You're the one with the fantastical idea that its possible to stab someone without the intent to kill or cause them great bodily harm. Why dont you explain that idea further and how exactly it works?
Posted by Metalinc
Dallas Tx
Member since Sep 2012
108 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 4:09 pm to
If it was a white dude that did the stabbing
Tribes from the Congo would be storming the gates if it was reduced to manslaughter
Posted by 14&Counting
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2012
42143 posts
Posted on 6/9/26 at 5:44 pm to
quote:

The question is whether he intended to wound or kill. In either event he would have stabbed. It’s rare for a person who was stabbed once to die. Most stab wounds are not fatal.


He stabbed him straight through the heart so his intent is pretty clear.
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