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re: Karmelo trial charging
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:04 pm to RFK
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:04 pm to RFK
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Getting the lesser included instruction to the jury almost certainly means they will use it as an out.
No, it doesn't. Lesser included offenses are almost always in jury instructions for murder/rape, etc.
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Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:05 pm to Zahrim
Not surprised. He's black. The system is broken
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:08 pm to jbgleason
quote:close. will probably be given 12 to 15 and serve 8 on good behavior bc he's a p****y too.
hat probably does it then. Guilty of manslaughter. 8-10 years. Serves 4?
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:10 pm to Zahrim
Good. If he had killed my kid I want him free.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:10 pm to TrueTiger
Aren’t lesser included offenses like manslaughter typically charged in cases like this?
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:15 pm to SloaneRanger
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Aren’t lesser included offenses like manslaughter typically charged in cases like this?
Yes. Well, not charged, but listed in the jury instructions. There is nothing to read into their inclusion in this case like so many here seem to be doing.
The jury may well convict on manslaughter, but it wouldn't have come about simply because the judge included them. Manslaughter was discussed in voir dire for this reason--lesser included offenses are always an option.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:16 pm to ColoradoAg
Lack of empathy for crime victims coupled with excessive empathy for the criminal is injustice.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:18 pm to RFK
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and the MS is an easy way for them to sleep after trial.
Maybe so, but if I voted for him to be hung by the neck and it was carried out the next day, I'd sleep just fine.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:19 pm to RemouladeSawce
What did he intend to do when he stabbed him in the chest?
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:19 pm to RFK
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I don’t understand this based on the facts, but I haven’t watched the trial.
Good news is absolutely every other poli board poster is a rational person who knows everything about this case
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:19 pm to RemouladeSawce
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but it's not exactly a stretch to argue he might not have intended to kill him
If he didnt want to kill him he could have just left the tent. The amount of retarded takes surrounding this case is mind-boggling. Do this many people really think you have the right to stab someone if they tell you to leave an area you arent supposed to be in?
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:42 pm to the808bass
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I think it’s a slam dunk for murder.
But it’s a jury. Anything can happen.
I agree with both. Should be murder, but…jury.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:42 pm to Zahrim
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:44 pm to thejuiceisloose
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Good news is absolutely every other poli board poster is a rational person who knows everything about this case
Rational enough to know that a person shouldn't stab another person to death. Whether or not you know that is your problem
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:45 pm to Zahrim
So you can claim you stabbed somebody but didn't intend to kill them?
What's not to stop you from using that logic on everything?
Sure I shot him in the head 5 times, but I wasn't TRYING to kill him.
What's not to stop you from using that logic on everything?
Sure I shot him in the head 5 times, but I wasn't TRYING to kill him.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:48 pm to BuckeyeGoon
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If he didnt want to kill him he could have just left the tent.
And if he didn’t want to kill him he could have stood on his head. There are a lot of things he could have done if he didn’t want to kill him, and there are a lot of things he could have done if he did want to kill him. On both of those lists is “stand there”, so that doesn’t prove his intention one way or the other.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:53 pm to Ailsa
Let them riot. They should also be charged to the max. They can peacefully protest in disagreement if they’d like just like Karmelo could have walked away.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:55 pm to Penrod
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so that doesn’t prove his intention one way or the other
And if thats the standard we're going by it would be impossible to ever get a guilty conviction on anything, until we develop the technology to read a person's thoughts and can tell exactly what they were thinking. We have to base a person's intentions on the things they do and say for now.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:58 pm to BuckeyeGoon
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We have to base a person's intentions on the things they do and say for now.
Sure, but not retreating is not strong evidence of a desire to murder, no matter how wrong he was for remaining. We need to judge based on actions, but those actions have to be more meaningful.
Posted on 6/9/26 at 1:59 pm to Penrod
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We need to judge based on actions
So actions like stabbing a person in the heart with a knife?
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