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re: Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:36 am to Jake88
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:36 am to Jake88
quote:No, he doesn't.
I'm not reading this entire thread, but, does the child have ambiguous genitalia?
Also, this thread is missing some very key details in this story.
The mother (non-biological mother at that) began telling James he was a girl as early as age 2. frickING TWO YEARS OLD!
She would put him in "timeout" (lock him in his room) and tell him, "The monsters only eat little boys, not little girls."
She would withhold affection from him and punish him whenever he acted like a boy, but then praise him and coddle him whenever he acted effeminate or agree he was a girl.
This was essentially the catalyst for their divorce when James turned 3. They had been fighting about her doing this for over a year before the father moved out.
The mother continually dressed James up like a girl just before the father's custody days just to piss him off.
Then at age 5, at James' birthday party, in front of a ton of people and other kids, the mother had James' "coming out party" where she named him "Luna" and told everyone from that point on he was a girl for good. She enrolled him in school as a girl named Luna. AGE FIVE!
This is what makes it even more baffling. No child at age fricking 2 can have valid gender dysphoria. There's just no damn way. So how anyone, especially a judge and psychologists, cannot recognize that this was full blown brainwashing and child abuse is astounding.
It's proof that the judge and doctors involved in this were all Progressive nutjobs making decisions based on ideology rather than valid rational wellness for a child.
Sick evil human beings, and I just hope for the worst to happen to them all.
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:37 am to GumboPot
quote:Moreover, they don't REALLY care about because you can bet that suicide rates for PRE pubescent kids who are fricked over like this will make the old suicide rates look normal.
And the primary excuse to proceed with transitioning is due to suicide rates among people struggling with their gender identity. Ironically the suicide rates don't change among people that have transitioned.
And, you know what they'll say? They'll STILL blame society and take none of the blame themselves.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:37 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Um, it IS a mental health issue.
You don't treat mentally ill people by CATERING to their mental illness.
From what I understand it's called "gender dysphoria". The medical community does not like to call it a mental health issue because "mental health" has negative connotations as in these people cannot function in society like people suffering from schizophrenia. It order to accommodate people with gender dysphoria everyone else has go along and and play dumb like it's not a mental health issue and ignore the fact that mental health issues fall on a WIDE spectrum.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:38 am to udtiger
quote:Looks like 11 actually:
12 actually.
quote:And while this wasn’t a criminal trial, I think this highlights his terrifying putting one’s life in hands of 12 people AND not requiring a unanimous decision could be in one. Although, there are plenty of unanimous guilty verdicts of innocent people in cases that had minimal evidence of guilt in the first place that are show that.
With a consensus of 11 of the 12 jurors,
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:38 am to ShortyRob
quote:my understanding is that the use of breast implants for a person under the age of 18 is considered to be an “off label“ use and not recommended. I’m not aware of any law which prohibits the procedure. If you are aware of such, please provide the link.
The FDA has an 18 year old requirement.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:39 am to AggieHank86
quote:
The medical community seems to disagree with your assessment.
I would wager that is not the case.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:41 am to AggieHank86
quote:The FDA has approved saline implants for use in women 18 or older.
my understanding is that the use of breast implants for a person under the age of 18 is considered to be an “off label“ use and not recommended. I’m not aware of any law which prohibits the procedure. If you are aware of such, please provide the link.
Silicone for age 22.
LINK
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:43 am to ShortyRob
quote:But I would think that there would be, albeit rare, instances where it would be valid (e.g., if a girl had a double mastectomy or had a botched reduction) that they wouldn’t outright ban all procedures.
The FDA has approved saline implants for use in women 18 or older.
Although, we’re talking about the federal government so who knows.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:45 am
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:43 am to AggieHank86
quote:
So, should the State step in and take this medical decision away from a parent? What other medical decision should the state take away from parents? What other financial decisions should parents not be allowed to make? What educational decision should the state be making for the parents?
Do you see the Authoritarian concerns raised by this case?
The state did take the decision away from a parent. You wrote an awful lot to contradict yourself.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:44 am to buckeye_vol
quote:I can't think of many 12 year olds who would fall into this category.
But I would think that there would be, albeit rare, instances where it would be valid (e.g., if a girl had a double mastectomy or had a botched reduction).
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:49 am to ShortyRob
The scary thing to me is everyone knows a little boy or girl who pretended to be the other or play with opposite gender toys/clothes when they were younger only to completely grow out of it.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:50 am to RebelExpress38
A 7 year old is really too young to make this decision
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:52 am to ShortyRob
Hank doing his thing, as usual.
It is okay to have common sense. Its okay to disagree with the obvious destructive situation here. Its okay to understand that the child cannot make these decisions. Its okay to equate this destructive situation with abuse of the child.
Hank, we don't need a jurisprudence lecture. Its okay for a society to have a conscious morality, even if laws on the books may allow for technical abuses and iniquities. It is okay to be outraged at what is happening to James Younger.
It is okay to have common sense. Its okay to disagree with the obvious destructive situation here. Its okay to understand that the child cannot make these decisions. Its okay to equate this destructive situation with abuse of the child.
Hank, we don't need a jurisprudence lecture. Its okay for a society to have a conscious morality, even if laws on the books may allow for technical abuses and iniquities. It is okay to be outraged at what is happening to James Younger.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:53 am
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:53 am to lsu13lsu
quote:For the better part of 3 years, my son said "girls are better".........favorite color was pink..........played dress up with his big sis.........and often said he wished he was a girl.
The scary thing to me is everyone knows a little boy or girl who pretended to be the other or play with opposite gender toys/clothes when they were younger only to completely grow out of it.
It wasn't rocket science. His sis is barely over a year older than him and he worshipped the ground she walked on. So. Basically, he copied her in everything.
So. I did NOTHING. I didn't tell him he was wrong. I let him play dress up with her. I didn't refuse to let him have pink shirts(boys shirts). Nothing.
And, when he was about 5, he turned into the standard, "girls are ucky" you typically expect from a boy.
Parenting really ain't that hard if you're not insane.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:54 am to DeusVultMachina
quote:
Hank doing his thing, as usual.
Hank's thing is to defend the system. The system can't be wrong. It MUST work.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:55 am to BeefDawg
quote:
The mother (non-biological mother at that) began telling James he was a girl as early as age 2. frickING TWO YEARS OLD!
She would put him in "timeout" (lock him in his room) and tell him, "The monsters only eat little boys, not little girls."
She would withhold affection from him and punish him whenever he acted like a boy, but then praise him and coddle him whenever he acted effeminate or agree he was a girl.
This was essentially the catalyst for their divorce when James turned 3. They had been fighting about her doing this for over a year before the father moved out.
The mother continually dressed James up like a girl just before the father's custody days just to piss him off.
Then at age 5, at James' birthday party, in front of a ton of people and other kids, the mother had James' "coming out party" where she named him "Luna" and told everyone from that point on he was a girl for good. She enrolled him in school as a girl named Luna. AGE FIVE!
Did this actually happen, or is it what someone heard happen? If it actually happened, then how on earth could anyone give this woman custody over a hamster, much less a child?
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:56 am to BeefDawg
Where did you get this info? Father testimony?
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:57 am to AggieHank86
quote:They haven't. There are studies as previously mentioned that demonstrate what she us doing is folly. But, because this is the new political issue du jour, few in the medical community will have the courage to stand against it.
than professionals who have spent their entire careers studying the matter
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:00 am to DeusVultMachina
No clue why he puts up with this place but I like someone trying to explain what is actually happening in the court case instead of 13 pages of hyper emotional bullshite.
I think it’s messed up that this procedure might be performed on this child too. I’d like to know what has led to this outcome instead of getting outraged over it and then forgetting about it as soon as fresh reasons for outrage arise.
I think it’s messed up that this procedure might be performed on this child too. I’d like to know what has led to this outcome instead of getting outraged over it and then forgetting about it as soon as fresh reasons for outrage arise.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:02 am to buckeye_vol
quote:
12 actually.
Looks like 11 actually:
quote:
With a consensus of 11 of the 12 jurors,
And while this wasn’t a criminal trial, I think this highlights his terrifying putting one’s life in hands of 12 people AND not requiring a unanimous decision could be in one. Although, there are plenty of unanimous guilty verdicts of innocent people in cases that had minimal evidence of guilt in the first place that are show that.
A previous poster pointed out that the jury placed medical decisions in the hands of the mother but did not explicitly endorse her plans. It's not clear to what extent the jurors knew of her plans to torture and mutilate the child
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