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re: Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’

Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:28 am to
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65826 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:28 am to
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I do NOT want an authoritarian State making those decisions, either. I trust parents more than I trust the State. A few parents will make bad decisions, but that is a cost of limited government.


Preventing child abuse is not authoritarian.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:30 am to
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The state should step in and halt literally any elective procedures that are nothing more than child abuse.
A 16-year-old girl wants permanent eyeliner tattooing, and both parents are agreeable. Should the state preclude it? A rhinoplasty?
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:30 am to
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Liposuction?
Boob Job?
Nose Job?
Tattoos?
Stomach Staple?


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suspect that all the others are available with parental consent.

In my view, this is AS IT SHOULD BE.



You're sick.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:33 am to
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Does your experience tell you that he made it up out of whole cloth?
No.

Most often, there is some kernel of truth to these types of statements ... usually exaggerated by the witness offering them into evidence. When the problem is pervasive, the child has said something to multiple other potential witnesses.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:33 am to
How in the frick do you equate chemically castrating s 7 year old with tattooed eyeliner on a 16 year old?

Jesus fricking christ
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28540 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:33 am to
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This is nothing like climate science.






Do the proponents ruthlessly silence dissent and then trumpet their "consensus"? Because I'm pretty sure that's the suggested similarity.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:34 am to
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How in the frick do you equate chemically castrating s 7 year old with tattooed eyeliner on a 16 year old?

Jesus fricking christ


This thread is just a complete embarrassment for him
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49529 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:35 am to
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A 16-year-old girl wants permanent eyeliner tattooing, and both parents are agreeable. Should the state preclude it?


A 16 year old boy wants to take possession of the .22 rifle his dad had been gifted from his father when he was 16 - and his grandfather before him. And he wants to go squirrel hunting behind his grandfather's homestead home.

Should the state intervene??

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:35 am to
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A 16-year-old girl wants permanent eyeliner tattooing, and both parents are agreeable. Should the state preclude it? A rhinoplasty?

Why change the age?

Do it to a 7 year old!

And, shouldn't we all note that this case didn't arrive at a decision overnight...........so, in all likelihood, she started wanting to do this to him when he was at least 6
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:37 am to
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Gender fluidity still continues to be a mental health issue, not a biological one.


I think you meant to make a distinction between physiological health and mental health. Biology encompasses both.

The bottom line is corrective action should be made toward the norm of a healthy human if corrective action is needed.

The mom’s actions in the OP fail that test.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
65826 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:38 am to
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A 16-year-old girl wants permanent eyeliner tattooing, and both parents are agreeable. Should the state preclude it? A rhinoplasty?


Permanent eyeliner is child abuse? Fixing someone's nose is child abuse?

Next you're going to tell me the state should intervene when parents get braces for their child.
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:38 am to
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Thanks for finding and posting, gives great insight to this issue.
No problem.

Honestly all anyone needs to see is the video of the 3 year old James stating his mother is telling him he's a girl and putting nail polish and dresses on him, to realize this was an obvious brainwashing job.

No rational person can suggest a 2 or 3 year old is capable of making this life-altering choice so therefore the mother was simply capitulating with the child's wishes.

That's obnoxiously implausible and beyond irrational. So the ONLY possible explanation is that the mother persisted/mandated this continued behavior and shaped the belief in the child.

I mean it's a safe assumption that at some point James claimed he was Superman or Spiderman or Harry Potter (instead of Luna Lovegood, which is likely where the name came from), as millions of small children have probably done at some point. But you don't see the parents suddenly begin allowing them to perpetually act like those fantasy characters for the rest of their lives, much less pushing them to do it.

This is clearly an ideological issue that this woman has manifested in her child for attention, notoriety, and reverence among her ideological peers and community.

There's just no damn way a 3 year old, 5 year old, or even 7 year old self-determined they were a girl and dysphoric.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:38 am to
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A 16-year-old girl wants permanent eyeliner tattooing, and both parents are agreeable. Should the state preclude it? A rhinoplasty


If a 16yr old girl wants to cut off her arm, and both parents are agreeable, should the state preclude it?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:40 am to
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My gut tells me that prohibition of CC is acceptable because there is absolutely zero evidence that it serves ANY legitimate medical purpose
Neither does cosmetic surgery or tattoos (you might could argue for liposuction) and you're ok with parents having those procedures performed on small children.

I don't necessarily disagree with you but I'm not following your logic here.
I suppose that my view comes down to the common law meanings of the terms assault and battery (“offensive touching”), which are quite consistent with a statutory prohibition against CC.

Ir is difficult to imagine any adult female who would NOT consider CC to be an “offensive touching” upon her person, while the booming elective surgery and tattoo markets clearly indicate that adults do not have the same view of rhinoplasty or liposuction.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
35326 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:40 am to
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A 16-year-old girl wants permanent eyeliner tattooing, and both parents are agreeable. Should the state preclude it? A rhinoplasty?


You have lost any semblance of credibility you may have ever been able to muster. SMDH.
Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:41 am to
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Preventing child abuse is not authoritarian.


Hank and people like him do not see this as child abuse. You won't get through to people that are that broken.
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
44345 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:42 am to
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I suspect that (Liposuction? Boob Job? Nose Job? Tattoos? Stomach Staple?) are available with parental consent.

In my view, this is AS IT SHOULD BE.
You're sick.
You really hate limited government.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:43 am to
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Ir is difficult to imagine any adult female who would NOT consider CC to be an “offensive touching”
You can't imagine that ANY adult female would be OK with CC? Are you under the impression that the 100% of mothers in these culture are simply doing what hubby says? Cause, yeah. That would be wrong.

In fact, I'd be willing to bet my house that the % of women in these cultures who have been culturally trained to believe CC is OK is greater than the percentage of adult men in the US who would say, "yeah, when I was wearing dresses at age 6, I'd have been cool with mom castrating me"

Posted by DeusVultMachina
Member since Jul 2017
4245 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:43 am to
Preventing child abuse is hating limited government now.

Welcome to clown world.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/22/19 at 11:43 am to
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You really hate limited government.

Oh pahleez save it with your bullshite non-sequitor.
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