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re: Jury rules against dad trying to save his 7-year-old from gender ‘transition’
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:20 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:20 am to AggieHank86
quote:
AggieHank86
Are you against laws preventing clitoral circumcision?
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Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:21 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Even when I disagree with the medical decision in a given case (as here), I would prefer to see the occasional parent make a bad decision than to see the State take medical decisions away from parents and instead make those decisions for them by statute.
It is the state's place to draw the line between actual medical procedures and the torture and mutilation of a child.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:21 am to AggieHank86
quote:
I AGREE with you!
The question I am addressing is the whether we want the State to step in and you usurp parental decision-making regarding decisions of this type. I see that is extraordinarily dangerous and authoritarian.
So if parents thought their perfectly healthy kid was transabled, and wanted to chemically blind him so his condition could match up with who he truly was your response would be what you typed above?
Somehow I doubt that.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:22 am to ShortyRob
And just for giggles
Imagine the complete ape shite the left would go if a parent wanted to let their 7 year old get Liposuction because the 7 year old was fat!
But, yeah. Let's all pretend this is a "medical decisions" issue.
Imagine the complete ape shite the left would go if a parent wanted to let their 7 year old get Liposuction because the 7 year old was fat!
But, yeah. Let's all pretend this is a "medical decisions" issue.
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:25 am
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:22 am to GumboPot
quote:
Are you against laws preventing clitoral circumcision?
Islam is right about women.
What now progs?
This post was edited on 10/22/19 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:24 am to Azkiger
quote:You don't even have to go with this type question.
So if parents thought their perfectly healthy kid was transabled, and wanted to chemically blind him so his condition could match up with who he truly was your response would be what you typed above?
Liposuction?
Boob Job?
Nose Job?
Tattoos?
Stomach Staple?
The list goes on.
And the best part? ALL of those are things a kid might not like about themselves and want! But, the state most certainly wouldn't allow it. Even if you could bring 100 doctors in to say, "she'd be happier with tits and a better nose"
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:25 am to ShortyRob
quote:
But, yeah. Let's all pretend this is a "medical decisions" issue.
This is just a function of institutional inertia of pro trans in all professional communities.
Chemically castrate a 7 year old? frick Yeah!
Kim Kardashian butt implants in a 7 year old girl? You are a terrible parent.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:25 am to ShortyRob
quote:No, I did not. Feel free to link or quote. What I SAID was that the medical community sees transgenderism is a mental health (medical) issue rather than a political one.
just a few posts ago, you said the medical community DID support transitioning 7 year olds.
quote:I am not aware of any law which would prevent it, though it would likely be difficult to find a physician willing to perform the procedure.
If the kid wasn't trans, but instead, was just and actual girl who wanted a boob job, could mom get her one?
Teenagers need parental consent for that procedure, but they have little trouble finding a physician.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:25 am to AggieHank86
quote:
The State is NOT forcing a castration. The State is leaving a medical decision in the hands of the parent who has been determined to be better-equipped than the other parent to make medical decisions for the children.
The state is leaving the medical decisions of the kid to a mentally I'll woman who shouldn't be able to enter a contract herself. Do you really think people would even care if the kid was able to choose for himself after a he was 18? I understand the point you're making but it seems like a deflection for this specific case.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:25 am to AggieHank86
quote:
The State is leaving a medical decision in the hands of the parent who has been determined to be better-equipped than the other parent to make medical decisions for the children.
I'm sorry, but if the parent is going to chose to chemically castrate their 7 year old or begin transitioning them then clearly they aren't better equipped to make medical decisions for that child. Hell, I'd argue that they likely aren't equipped to make medical decisions for themselves, either.
And no, a jury disagreeing with me doesn't make me wrong. It makes the jury wrong.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:27 am to SSpaniel
quote:
I'm sorry, but if the parent is going to chose to chemically castrate their 7 year old or begin transitioning them then clearly they aren't better equipped to make medical decisions for that child. Hell, I'd argue that they likely aren't equipped to make medical decisions for themselves, either.
The first rule as a doctor is to do no harm.
Hmmmm...?
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:27 am to ShortyRob
quote:Again, Hank did not say THIS, either.quote:But Hank says that apparently, she was a better decision maker than dad.
I'm listening to an interview of the Dad. The mom started the transition when he was 3 years old. 3 freaking years old.
I SAID that a court made that ruling back in the original divorce proceeding years ago.
You are really on a roll with the lies and mischaracterizations this morning.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:28 am to GumboPot
quote:
This is just a function of institutional inertia of pro trans in all professional communities.
Chemically castrate a 7 year old? frick Yeah!
And here's the really sad part.
It's the ultimate in selfish virtue signaling.
Basically, a ton of Americans have gone all in on treating mentally ill people as if they aren't...........so that the non-trans people can all pat themselves on the back for how "tolerant" They are.
All because frankly, there are so few actual trans people that even if they end up completely fricked up long term, it's no skin off the teeth of the virtue signalers.
Anorexic people REALLY think they're fat. But, since we know better, we don't pat them on the heads as they kill themselves.
But, for some reason, this particular one is one where people have decided that looking good to their friends and neighbors trumps basic human decency.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:29 am to AggieHank86
quote:Says the guy OVERTLY running interference for something that he knows is HORRENDOUS for the left politically.
Again, Hank did not say THIS, either.
I SAID that a court made that ruling back in the original divorce proceeding years ago.
You are really on a roll with the lies and mischaracterizations this morning.
By the way. Feel free to opine regarding my many other examples of medical choices we could let kids make.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:30 am to AggieHank86
quote:Um, it IS a mental health issue.
No, I did not. Feel free to link or quote. What I SAID was that the medical community sees transgenderism is a mental health (medical) issue rather than a political one.
You don't treat mentally ill people by CATERING to their mental illness.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:31 am to ShortyRob
quote:Shorty, I can only type so fast, and I am also doing other things. My world does not revolve around you.
I'll ask again
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:32 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Basically, a ton of Americans have gone all in on treating mentally ill people as if they aren't.
And the primary excuse to proceed with transitioning is due to suicide rates among people struggling with their gender identity. Ironically the suicide rates don't change among people that have transitioned.
The mental issues still remain.
Just because you have a mental desire to cut your arm off doesn't mean it's a good idea.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:35 am to AggieHank86
quote:The FDA has an 18 year old requirement.
I am not aware of any law which would prevent it, though it would likely be difficult to find a physician willing to perform the procedure.
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:35 am to RebelExpress38
Bitch needs to be shot. I wouldn’t convict the man
Posted on 10/22/19 at 10:35 am to AggieHank86
quote:Cool.
Shorty, I can only type so fast, and I am also doing other things. My world does not revolve around you.
Feel free to opine on it when you are ready.
You'll obfuscate. I know.
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