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re: Judge directs Trump administration to comply with order to unfreeze federal grants

Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:41 pm to
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Solidifying my position more and more to say FU to these judges as their "orders" will be found to not hold water.


Otherwise you're just handcuffing yourself against a lawless enemy and encouraging him to keep doing it.

Posted by BigBro
Member since Jul 2021
20235 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:42 pm to
AI Overview (from Google)

No, a federal judge in one state cannot directly dictate law on the federal level; only the U.S. Supreme Court has the authority to definitively interpret and apply federal law across the entire country, meaning a single federal judge's decision in one state only applies within their jurisdiction and can be appealed to higher courts, including the Supreme Court, to establish nationwide precedent.

Limited jurisdiction:
Federal judges only have jurisdiction over cases involving federal law, and their rulings are generally only binding within their circuit or district.

Supreme Court authority:
The Supreme Court is the highest court in the land and has the final say on interpreting federal law, making their decisions binding on all lower courts.

Circuit courts:
Appeals from lower federal courts typically go to the relevant circuit court of appeals, whose decisions can be appealed to the Supreme Court.

Therefore, this judge can go fly his kite in Rhode Island.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:44 pm to
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He’s going to have to or the lawfare will destroy his presidency again


Or he could just do things correctly the first time.


This is exactly what I was scared about occurring with lots of these regulatory reforms/scale backs, and I was not quiet about my concerns.

Many of these moves feel like the DACA repeal failure all over again.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:46 pm to
This is the same with the R problem with liberalism generally

You're constantly trying to defeat an untethered enemy and you're continually tying your own hands behind your back to do it.

For what?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28185 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:46 pm to
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Or he could just do things correctly the first time.


What's incorrect about what he's doing? For example, what's incorrect about the US Treasury Secretary reviewing numbers about the US Treasury?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:48 pm to
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This is the same with the R problem with liberalism generally

You're constantly trying to defeat an untethered enemy and you're continually tying your own hands behind your back to do it.


This is more like an unforced error.

The admin should have anticipated all of these actions and relied on a more thoughtful, deliberate strategy instead of being a bull in a China shop trying to just win by overwhelming the system.

Like the formation of DOGE itself. Even that is being litigated.
Posted by Jimmy Russel
Member since Nov 2021
866 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:49 pm to
Just because something is lawful doesn't mean it's correct. That's why the law will be challenged.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:50 pm to
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For example, what's incorrect about the US Treasury Secretary reviewing numbers about the US Treasury?
It is a Trump appointee doing it, not someone he supports.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:50 pm to
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What's incorrect about what he's doing? F


He should have gone through the hoops to create DOGE clearly and then enact actual policy changes (not a vague EO) to permit them the authority, pursuant to APA regulations.

This could have been done but would have just taken more time. That's all. It would have also been much harder to unwind in the next DEM administration.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:51 pm to
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That's why the law will be challenged.


This is also another option. Trump has the House and Senate. Pass legislation to do this.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
82423 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:51 pm to
Trump has the constitutional authority to examine these payments for accountability, accuracy, fraud and abuse before they go out.

It may take a few days but that just the way it is.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:52 pm to
LOL

The only reason this is effective is due to speed and surprise.

Your opinion is premised on the idea that if the same architects of our political and cultural decline were brought in to craft the perfect plan to be implemented in 2027, then the D judges would just go "well no way to attack this, it's perfect." It doesn't/hasn't ever worked like that.

It's all going to be litigated no matter what. The overwhelming majority of the judiciary is going to be hostile to Trump politically. The overwhelming majority of the administrative state is going to be hostile to Trump politically.

It's a skewed board, there is no way for the right to win until it shifts. We have the mandate to do it right now, and who knows when we'll get it again.

Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
12401 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:53 pm to
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What's incorrect about what he's doing? For example, what's incorrect about the US Treasury Secretary reviewing numbers about the US Treasury?


The Judge has explained what is incorrect.

The judge said specifically that the withheld funds that must be restored include those appropriated under two laws championed by former President Biden — the Inflation Reduction Act and Infrastructure Improvement and Jobs Act — and those intended for institutes and other agencies like the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

“The broad categorical and sweeping freeze of federal funds is, as the Court found, likely unconstitutional and has caused and continues to cause irreparable harm to a vast portion of this country,” McConnell wrote.

Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28185 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:54 pm to
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He should have gone through the hoops to create DOGE clearly and then enact actual policy changes (not a vague EO) to permit them the authority, pursuant to APA regulations.


I don't know what any of that means and I doubt you do either. Go through what hoops? If the POTUS wants to hire an advisor on the proper amount of ketchup for a hamburger he can do that. And what does this "enact actual policy" changes look like for an executive function?
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Member since Feb 2008
24860 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 12:57 pm to
Does that judge have F-35s under his command?

- trying to do my best Biden impression.


Do what the left would do. Ignore him.
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
15791 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 1:01 pm to
These are the ones - who do their bidding in secret, under the guise of privilege that must be walked before God and the Universe

Absolutely and totally the MOST CORRUPT branch of 'We the People'

Where were these fackers when 'We the People' were suffering under the COVID19 pandemic - where every imaginable civil right was tread upon? Talk about 'taxation without representation'
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87384 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 1:03 pm to
Arguably the country's foremost expert of administrative law is pretty solidly in Trump's corner on this FWIW

Of course he's a Catholic integralist...but that's a different story.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
28185 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 1:05 pm to
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The Judge has explained what is incorrect.



He didn't explain jack shite, he just said it's "likely" unconstitutional. Why is it likely unconstitutional? Do you think his job is to block anything the federal government does that, in his opinion, will cause harm to the country? He obviously thinks so, but do you?
Posted by captainFid
Never apologize to barbarism
Member since Dec 2014
10607 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 1:07 pm to
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Tell this judge to GFY


If it's a legal Presidential order, this. SOTUS has spoken.
Posted by sledgehammer
SWLA
Member since Oct 2020
7219 posts
Posted on 2/10/25 at 2:29 pm to
The democrats built this machine. Playing nice doesn’t get us anywhere. They’d still pack the courts, abandon the filibuster, and give senate seats to DC and Puerto Rico. F them and give them a taste of their own medicine.
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