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Jack Smith asks court to ban Trump from introducing evidence of Jan. 6 security failures

Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:33 pm
Posted by WPBTiger
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:33 pm
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Special Counsel Jack Smith's office asked a federal judge Wednesday to prevent former President Donald Trump from introducing evidence at his Jan. 6 criminal trial concerning selective prosecution and security failures that occurred at the Capitol or making arguments his actions were protected by the First Amendment, suggesting such a defense amounted to politics.


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The special counsel is seeking to bar Trump from claiming that he is being selectively prosecuted and introducing evidence supporting such allegations.


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Specifically, Smith's team is seeking to ban Trump from introducing evidence that Capitol Police and Washington D.C. officials engaged in security failures that allowed the riot to unfold, even though Congress has introduced such evidence and testimony affirming those failures.
Posted by MemphisGuy
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:35 pm to
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Special Counsel Jack Smith's office asked a federal judge Wednesday to prevent former President Donald Trump from introducing evidence at his Jan. 6 criminal trial concerning selective prosecution and security failures that occurred at the Capitol or making arguments his actions were protected by the First Amendment, suggesting such a defense amounted to politics.


Why doesn't he just make if official:

"Your Honor, we would like to ask you to prevent Trump from defending himself at all. Just let us present our prosecution and then render your ruling. Thank You."
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 12:36 pm
Posted by Pizza Dan
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:36 pm to
Of course he did. He doesn’t want the truth to be told.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:36 pm to
“Your honor, I object.”

“Reason?”

“It’s devastating to my case!”

“Refreshingly honest, Mr Fletcher. Denied.”
Posted by ibldprplgld
Member since Feb 2008
25083 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:37 pm to
Bringing bullshite charges against him while also trying to hamstring his defense.

Democrats truly hate our Republic.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:37 pm to
Some basic education before pearls are clutched.

Everyone in a major trial will file a motion in limine, which is a motion requesting to limit what evidence the other side gets to present. Only sensationalist "news" outlets or emotional thinkers will use the word "ban" in this context. Trump's team will also file a motion in limine in every trial to which he's a party.

Some brilliant and beautiful people already told you the government would seek to limit arguments/evidence outside the scope of the litigation.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:37 pm to
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suggesting such a defense amounted to politics.


And there's no room for playing politics in the case!
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:40 pm to
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Democrats truly hate our Republic.


In their eyes this Republic is a thorn in the side to their “democracy” and therefore must be destroyed.
Posted by Warboo
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Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:43 pm to
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Everyone in a major trial will file a motion in limine, which is a motion requesting to limit what evidence the other side gets to present. Only sensationalist "news" outlets or emotional thinkers will use the word "ban" in this context. Trump's team will also file a motion in limine in every trial to which he's a party.

Some brilliant and beautiful people already told you the government would seek to limit arguments/evidence outside the scope of the litigation.



I get what you are saying but the fact that he is trying to limit evidence that is crucial to the case is quite telling. It basically makes him look like a hack prosecutor (which he is).
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:45 pm to
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suggesting such a defense amounted to politics.


Wow, I'm glad the prosecution of Trump has nothing to do with politics.
Posted by tigersmanager
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:47 pm to
Nazis
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:48 pm to
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I get what you are saying but the fact that he is trying to limit evidence that is crucial to the case is quite telling.

I haven't read it all, but I don't think their requests are that out of order...at least for some arguments (it's 20 pages and I've only gotten to the first set). A criminal trial is very limited in scope and Defendants (not just Trump; all defendants) are limited in what they're allowed to present.

Basically, since the scope of a criminal trial is so limited, it creates a box of sorts for the entire case. The Defendant is not going to be given much ability to use evidence outside of that framing. The flip side is that the standard is so high, the government (in theory at least) has an incredibly tough hill to climb.

This is also why discovery requests by the Defense outside of the government disclosures (and other things like Brady material) are so limited. You also need a court order to even file for the discovery requests. In civil cases, discovery and scope is much wider.

Again, I tried to explain this to Patriots on here when outlets like TGP were telling y'all early on that Trump would likely be able to "try the 2020 election" in these trials.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:49 pm to
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suggesting such a defense amounted to politics.


So like Smith’s prosecution of Trump?
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:50 pm to
Right on cue SFP sucking that lawfare dick
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:51 pm to
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SlowFlowPro



Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:51 pm to
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Right on cue SFP sucking that lawfare dick

I'm explaining basic criminal procedure in the face of emotional "reporting"

I didn't say this was good or bad or that there was a winner or loser or any judgment call on the motion itself.

This is not a difficult distinction. Why is it so routinely hard for you people to understand?
This post was edited on 12/27/23 at 12:52 pm
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:52 pm to
He can’t win!!
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
1 room down from Erin Andrews
Member since May 2004
23373 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:53 pm to
Everyone saw the videos of the police waving people into the capitol. Hell, the horn hat guy got a police escort throughout the entire place..
Posted by momentoftruth87
Member since Oct 2013
71807 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:53 pm to
No shite. Everyone knew the first day it was nothing. Only crime was killing an unarmed woman.
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
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Member since May 2004
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:54 pm to
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I haven't read it all, but I don't think their requests are that out of order



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SlowFlowPro


Not surprised here
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