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I've Read The Memo: Here's Main Points

Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:36 am
Posted by AUstar
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:36 am
1) FBI used dossier to get Page warrant. McCabe admitted under oath that there would have been no case for a warrant without the dossier.

2) Steele was giving the dossier to Yahoo! News and paying them to plant the story. FBI then used that same Yahoo! story in their FISA application claiming it was "corroborating" evidence.

3) Bruce Ohr said that Steele told him that he hated Trump and his goal was to stop Trump by any means necessary.

4) Bill Priestap admitted that the information used for the FISA warrant was not verified whatsoever. Comey later told Trump the same thing in that private meeting (not under oath).

5) FBI knew the dossier was paid for by Clinton and decided not to tell the court that fact.
This post was edited on 2/2/18 at 11:45 am
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:37 am to
Pretty much.

They knowingly used either completely false or unverified information as basis to spy on a US citizen.

That is and should be illegal.



Posted by ShoeBang
Member since May 2012
22230 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:38 am to
quote:

admitted that the information used for the FISA warrant was not verified whatsoever


That's the part that really gets me angry.

Your honor, we have "evidence".
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46518 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:39 am to
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They knowingly used either completely false or unverified information as basis to spy on a US citizen.
This. Watergate comparisons are apt, but this will be much worse than Watergate.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:39 am to
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That is and should be illegal.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:39 am to
It's worse than we thought.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:40 am to
Also, they never disclosed the origin and financial backing of the dossier.

Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:40 am to
Also, at least some of the supportive documentation to the dossier was media reports. FBI used these media reports, articles, etc... to support the dossier claims.

Seems Christopher Steele was feeding dossier claims to certain news organizations that ran unnamed sources reports that were in step with the claims in the dossier. Steele planted the lies.

Biggest issue is the FBI knew the dossier was a lie. They also knew Steele was leaking dossier points to media. FBI KNOWINGLY used all of this fake information because the most important thing to them was getting the warrant and stopping Trump.

Shockingly corrupt to the core.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:41 am to
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It's worse than we thought.


Is it? It seems to be exactly what we thought IMO
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
473832 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:42 am to
quote:

Pretty much.

They knowingly used either completely false or unverified information as basis to spy on a US citizen.

That is and should be illegal.


and in no way threatens "national security" (whatever that means anymore)
Posted by Walkthedawg
Dawg Pound
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:42 am to
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They knowingly used either completely false or unverified information as basis to spy on a US citizen.


A president!!
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103589 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:42 am to
5) Steele was dismissed as an FBI source in late October 2016 after the warrant was obtained.

Yet they still kept renewing the FISA warrant every 90 days based on his unverified information, attesting to its accuracy each time.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85894 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:42 am to
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A president!!


irrelevant
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
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Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:43 am to
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It seems to be exactly what we thought IMO

+1
Posted by JoeHackett
Member since Aug 2016
5166 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:43 am to
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Comey later told Trump the same thing.


I believe that should be, he briefed Trump on a dossier that he testified under oath was "salacious and unverified". That's how it reads to me anyway.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
75987 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:43 am to
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They knowingly used either completely false or unverified information as basis to spy on a US citizen.


Posted by Wolfhound45
Member since Nov 2009
127236 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:43 am to
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Salmon
What size coat do you wear?
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
14347 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:44 am to
So suddenly Mueller’s 3 heads on the wall are probably free to run and play because Mueller’s indictments can now be poisoned fruit!
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
47354 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:44 am to
It must also be repeated that Trump transition officials swept up in foreign wiretaps were illegally unmasked by these same people. Information was then illegally leaked to the press.

This is much bigger than Carter Page, and the rot goes all of the way up to Obama's door step.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87074 posts
Posted on 2/2/18 at 11:45 am to
The rebuttal is going to be "Carter Page deserved to be surveilled, and had been on the IC radar before." - True statement, honestly.

But have to hammer that blatant abuse of the process that is conveniently timed to his time on Trump's campaign (and Trump, through the dossier) can't be cast off just because Page has a history of sketchy associations.
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