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re: I've criticized the U.S. Healthcare system for being too expensive
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:34 am to Powerman
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:34 am to Powerman
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Something I used to tell my clients all the time. Do you want us to do it fast, cheap or right?
And, it's one of those rare idioms that is honestly, NEVER wrong.
Any attempt around it is doomed to failure over time.
The Europeans thought they could miraculously provide good, fast AND cheap. When you do that, you will typically end up with only 1 and the 1 you end up with will be the one you prioritize. In their case, cheap.
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Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:35 am to Powerman
It is too expensive
WAY too expensive
You go to the hospital and get 4 bills from 4 different providers - the clinic, the doctor, the PA, the hospital
And they expect you to sort it out and put you on payment plans
We've been getting royally screwed by the medical industry and insurance for years. And they both work hand in hand on coding and pricing.
It's no surprise there are so many people who arent sympathetic toward the hospital's plights for more equipment right now.
Trillions made over the years and none thought to invest in equipment that could truly save lives in the event of a pandemic every doctor predicted was eventually going to happen?
That's not OUR fault. Its theirs.
WAY too expensive
You go to the hospital and get 4 bills from 4 different providers - the clinic, the doctor, the PA, the hospital
And they expect you to sort it out and put you on payment plans
We've been getting royally screwed by the medical industry and insurance for years. And they both work hand in hand on coding and pricing.
It's no surprise there are so many people who arent sympathetic toward the hospital's plights for more equipment right now.
Trillions made over the years and none thought to invest in equipment that could truly save lives in the event of a pandemic every doctor predicted was eventually going to happen?
That's not OUR fault. Its theirs.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:36 am to Powerman
There's a reason Canadians go south for care. Wait lists and rationed care is the reality.
I was stationed in the UK for a while and we had a member roll her ankle and it swelled 3x normal and she went to the local hospital and they wrapped it and suggested therapy. They didn't even perform and xray. It was obvious it was more than a sprain. 2 weeks later they finally agreed to the xray and found a displaced fracture. In the US you would have gotten an xray that day.
I was stationed in the UK for a while and we had a member roll her ankle and it swelled 3x normal and she went to the local hospital and they wrapped it and suggested therapy. They didn't even perform and xray. It was obvious it was more than a sprain. 2 weeks later they finally agreed to the xray and found a displaced fracture. In the US you would have gotten an xray that day.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:36 am to Powerman
We also have some of the most availability. Our ICU beds per capita is higher than all of those others which is a product of our non-nationalization.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:38 am to Powerman
The US Healthcare system is the best in the world. This is especially true when you factor in how unhealthy we are as a whole based on our abundance.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:38 am to Powerman
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Probably a poor analogy because the broke MF is the one that's going to over pay for it
the broke MF wont "overpay" because he won't pay, period
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:39 am to Powerman
Of course they are, the same as smoking rates
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:39 am to Powerman
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I do think we could still make some improvements to cost
Certainly could, we could start with limiting frivolous lawsuits and other things that have been adding cost for years...
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Charging people 300 dollars for a bag of saline and shite like that is what's absurd
Agreed but there again, doesn't the government "Medicare and Medicaid" pricing support a lot of this? Maybe contract the government side out to someone that can actually negotiate a better rate?
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Or the surging price of insulin which has been around forever
Again, lawsuits, regulations, etc, etc
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we do seem better equipped to handle a crisis
I'll take this over Italy... Anyone that has dealt with the VA knows what government healthcare looks like... The VA was "rationing" care a few years ago and letting the hopeless cases die...
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:40 am to Powerman
well yea because our system is superior to theirs.
we will have some hotspots thought that overwhelm but its going to be in the dysfunctional cities like New Orleans.
we will have some hotspots thought that overwhelm but its going to be in the dysfunctional cities like New Orleans.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:41 am to Powerman
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the surging price of insulin
Only for the newer longer acting insulins. The older shorter acting ones are not that expensive.
GoodRx prices
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:42 am to The Maj
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Again, lawsuits, regulations, etc, etc
Nope. Not really.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:43 am to theunknownknight
quote:Insurance is still ultimately bounded to 80-85% MLRs. Providers are the drivers.
We've been getting royally screwed by the medical industry and insurance for years. And they both work hand in hand on coding and pricing.
US HC Cost pecking order blame
1A. Providers
1B. Patients
2. Payors
3. Pharma
This post was edited on 3/25/20 at 8:44 am
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:44 am to Powerman
Germany and Switzerland both have lower death rates than the United States....
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:44 am to Powerman
This is definitely part of the problem. Overcrowding is the other issue. They are packed together like sardines in some of those countries.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:45 am to Eric Nies Grind Time
germany is cooking the numbers using the same logic people here have argued by saying "how do we know they died from coronavirus? just because they died and were covid19 positive doesnt mean they died from the virus!!"
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:45 am to ljhog
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Only for the newer longer acting insulins. The older shorter acting ones are not that expensive.
Truth.
The insulin complaints are a great example of the left's propensity to not understand that just because a product has a similar name doesn't mean it's the same product.
You can get the same insulin you could always get dirt cheap.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:47 am to Powerman
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Nope. Not really.
Yes, it really is part of the problem... I am not saying it is all of the problem but it is part of the problem that needs to be addressed...
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:48 am to ShortyRob
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Good Fast(available) Cheap Pick two.....and, if you try to pick 3, you just might end up with 1. Everywhere else in the world has tried to pick 3...…….and ended up with Cheap We picked 2.
Nailed it! I was going to post this but Rob beat me to it! I usually say Access rather than Fast, but they are sort of the same thing. We have all the technology, all the best stuff and we can get it almost any time we want. Those 2 things will never, ever be cheap! They picked cheap. They always will sacrifice either good or access and quite often, both!
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:48 am to Powerman
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I've criticized the U.S. Healthcare system for being too expensive
I have as well, but at the end of the day our healthcare just isn't as bad as other countries - because as it turns out, capitalism also means you are competing against other hospitals to make sure you are "ready" and "better" than your competition.
Capitalism has it's downsides - but it also tends to push people to be the best they can be because they HAVE to be.
Posted on 3/25/20 at 8:48 am to The Maj
When it comes to things like epi pens and insulin going up by ludicrous amounts it's pretty much a negligible factor. Particularly the law suit portion.
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