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re: It is criminal how you can't claim Student Loan interest on tax but can Mortgage

Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:50 am to
Posted by Dawgs9
Where ever I am
Member since Sep 2012
3372 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:50 am to
You mad that Biden didn’t pay off your student loans
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23222 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:51 am to
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Interesting commentary from the “all taxes are bad and that’s why I support tax free tips” crowd


Lazy commentary from you.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 7:52 am to
About the level of effort necessary to be competitive here
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
115482 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 8:06 am to
Until Trump's tax cut jacked up the standard deduction, I had itemized for the 20 years prior. I doubt seriously it's impacted you that significantly and easily 98% would still.take the standard deduction.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
23222 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 8:14 am to
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Additionally though, every 2 years eligibility renews for a $500K home sale tax exclusion on profits. Realistically the only way one generates a (second) $500K profit over a 2-yr window is to own a second hom


Primary residence, that you occupy 2 of the last 5 years. It’s a capital gain exclusion, and there are exemptions from the 2 year rule that realistically, only a normal person would have (medical issues, new job, even crime, it’s subject).

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You're correct of course, there really is no justification for the tax break differential.


I already provided one, one is in the itemized category and the other isn’t. If you actually follow the max $750k in loan proceeds, it hasn’t been all that helpful in getting over the standard with rates the way they have been (but that’s obviously changing).

It seems silly to discuss the fairness of the tax code, in terms of deductions, by bringing up the only deductions available to individuals

Op, you want to write off student loan interest? Start a business, refi the student loan with a business loan. Now there is an entire chapter in the limitation of that interest, but at least we are now talking about how high earners actually save on taxes (deductions that aren’t on a 1040).
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12955 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 8:52 am to
Don’t go to college .
Posted by Upperaltiger06
North Alabama
Member since Feb 2012
4231 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 9:22 am to
The government really should incentivize student loan payoffs through tax breaks since they are solely responsible for pushing up tuition by providing stupid amounts of money through student loans.
Posted by wadewilson
Member since Sep 2009
41565 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 9:33 am to
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Quickly pay off your student loan and you want owe much interest.


You probably should have taken out a student loan to study some remedial English and Econ at your local CC.
Posted by fwtex
Member since Nov 2019
3407 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 9:35 am to
There seems to be other problems in your financial accountability you should
focus on.

If you are itemizing deductions instead of taking the standard deduction, then it seems like you have the financial means to pay off $85k student debt so you do not have the interest problem. ??
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
139056 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 11:56 am to
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Primary residence, that you occupy 2 of the last 5 years. It’s a capital gain exclusion
I'm keenly aware. I enjoyed the full benefit over the past 2 1/2 years. That does not make it fair.
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how high earners actually save on taxes
Or if he has a large enough portfolio, he could simply borrow against it to pay off his loan, then deduct interest as a capital expense.

Now then, regarding the OP, do you honestly believe he or other similar student loan holders have those sort of resources, or the ability to start (with the burden of existing loans) a business with the collateral capacity you describe?
This post was edited on 8/24/24 at 11:11 pm
Posted by Bayou Warrior 64
Member since Feb 2021
953 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:26 pm to
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Neither party is going to fix the system that screws you, so long as it benefits them, which it does because they cater to their donors.


This! 100%
Life is not fair. More importantly the tax system is not fair. Quit whining! Get over it! Move forward with your life.
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
5049 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:36 pm to
It isn’t the point of your post, but I make in the mid 200s and ain’t no way I could buy a $750K home.

I mean, maybe if I were single… but not with two kids and a wife and maxing out 401K contributions, saving a little, and the like.
Posted by Old1937
Member since Jun 2024
1409 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:50 pm to
Student loans are the result of people spending the loans on degrees that are basically worthless in money earned. Tough lesson !
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139056 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:55 pm to
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Student loans are the result of people spending the loans on degrees that are basically worthless
Interesting premise. FWIW, I spent my student loans on LSU Med School. The result was a degree which was far from "worthless."
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
7046 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:56 pm to
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That is absurd and completely unfair

But not as unfair as people who never went to college having to pay for losers that went to college for a bullshite degree that is worthless in the workforce.
Posted by Hateradedrink
Member since May 2023
4156 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 12:57 pm to
The real simple way to fix education costs is charge schools for non-Pslf based forgiveness (the 20/25 year IDR forgiveness).

If you graduate people that can’t pay off their loans in 20 years, you’re not doing society a service.
Posted by Old1937
Member since Jun 2024
1409 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 1:04 pm to
Then you should have no problem paying them back, no problem.
Posted by GooseSix
Member since Jun 2012
22503 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 1:06 pm to
Don't take loans out for shite you can't afford, dumbass.
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9767 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 1:13 pm to
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Or if he has a large enough portfolio, he could simply borrow against it to pay off his loan, then deduct interest as a capital loss.


Margin interest is not a capital loss. It's only deductible to the extent you have interest, dividends, and capital gains. It's also an itemized deduction that does nothing for you if you have no other deductions such as a mortgage interest, charitable donos, and SALT. This assumes your loan is from a passive stock portfolio you have.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139056 posts
Posted on 8/24/24 at 10:59 pm to
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Margin interest is not a capital loss. It's only deductible to the extent you have interest, dividends, and capital gains.
Apples and oranges. This is not something requiring in the weeds analysis. The OP made an observation. There was some "yeah, but ...." financial mumbo jumbo in response.

The point is, interest on student loans is not deductible. Interest on money borrowed against a portfolio is deductible as a capital expense.

But yeah, in the unique instance of declared losses equaling/exceeding gains, then deduction of capital expense is moot .... as likely is the employment status of the responsible investment advisor(s).
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