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re: Iran Has Allowed The First Western Ship To Pass Through The Strait Of Hormuz
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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Your defense is a world war from 70+ years ago? Do you have an actual argument?
“History Matters.” David McCullough.
“You cannot be serious.” John McEnroe.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 10:04 am
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:55 am to tadman
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We aspire to their luxury cars, their clothes, watches, sunglasses...
Not this hombre!
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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We can't sustain our economy relying on poor countries like Venezuela and El Salvador.
Yes we can. We did it before. Our economy boomed when we were trading with the dirt poor European countries after WW2.
And the reason we are shitting on Europe is because those MFers are parasites. They pay almost nothing for defense, and rely on the US taxpayer to protect them. Then they had unfair trade practices to discriminate against American made products.
Further, the reason we went rogue is because secrecy was vital and we know those MFers would have told the Iranians.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 9:58 am
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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And why are people shitting on Europe when we are the ones who went rogue without discussing this war with Europe?
This. No one was clamouring for this war (aside from our besties) so its insane to be angry at them for getting some heckin petrol.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:56 am to DeathByTossDive225
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Because they’re nationalist knuckle draggers who believe the end of NATO would be a good thing for the US.
Is it really being a nationalist knuckle dragger to continue repeating the same policy that hasn't worked since 1960? Is it being a nationalist knuckle dragger to consider putting other allies first when the "allies" we have in Europe have not done much ever?
What have the western Euros ever done for us other than French support in the war for independence? Cursory support after 9/11, but then ran away like a scalded cat when a few bombs went off in Spain. That's literally it.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:57 am to DeathByTossDive225
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You can’t argue with someone that ignorant.
It’s mutual. I can promise you that
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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And why are people shitting on Europe when we are the ones who went rogue without discussing this war with Europe?
Looks like the Europeans are playing it smart and we're playing it as dumb as possible
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:02 am to Powerman
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Looks like the Europeans are playing it smart and we're playing it as dumb as possible
I believe this is what's causing the real rage under the surface. They see that we made a mistake but they refuse to admit it. They see Europe played it smart and isn't suffering the way that we thought we would have to make them suffer to join in our mistake. This doubles the impact of our mistake and the hole. You have to dig yourself in to defend it, and internally. They know that's an issue. So they blame Europe
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:03 am to tadman
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What have the western Euros ever done for us other than French support in the war for independence? Cursory support after 9/11, but then ran away like a scalded cat when a few bombs went off in Spain. That's literally it.
NATO has been the most effective deterrent of all time. It’s a defensive alliance. You mention 9/11, so yes the only time article 9 was ever invoked was in defense of the US.
US presence in Europe is also a strategic advantage, not just charity. We have access to bases around the world & we’d be able to use all of them had we not started this war unilaterally. We benefit from intelligence sharing as well. And the idea that we would spend any less on defense if we weren’t in NATO is actually counterintuitive.
Putin and other militant expansionists will be licking their chops at the idea of dissolving it.
It’s all theater and posturing anyway, because even Congress isn’t dumb enough to withdraw from the alliance. No amount of teeth gnashing will change that.
I agreed with Trump about holding other countries to account on meeting the defense spending requirement, but that’s about it.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 10:37 am
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:06 am to LuckyTiger
Expect Italy and Korea next.
So countries that can pass through are India, Pakistan, Japan, China, and France.
Maybe Turkey.
These bilateral agreements seem to be a victory for Iran, and with Korea and Italy expected to come on boar soon it seems like the Straight is effectively open. Albeit there has to be a rejection of the Israel/U.S. attack on Iran in order to do so.
So countries that can pass through are India, Pakistan, Japan, China, and France.
Maybe Turkey.
These bilateral agreements seem to be a victory for Iran, and with Korea and Italy expected to come on boar soon it seems like the Straight is effectively open. Albeit there has to be a rejection of the Israel/U.S. attack on Iran in order to do so.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:10 am to DeathByTossDive225
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NATO has been the most effective deterrent of all time. It’s a defensive alliance. You mention 9/11, so yes the only time article 9 was ever invoked was in defense of the US.
We have access to bases around the world & we’d be able to use all of them had we not started this war unilaterally. We benefit from intelligence sharing as well. And the idea that would spend any less on defense if we weren’t in NATO is actually counterintuitive.
Putin and other militant expansionists will be licking their chops at the idea of dissolving it.
It’s all theater and posturing anyway, because even Congress isn’t dumb enough to withdraw from the alliance.
Care to break down who spends what on defense budgets in nato compared to the US? They need us far more than we need them and spend so little to defend their own countries. The literally spend pennies we pick up the tab for countries that really no longer align with our views. Putin isnt the boogie man you try to make him to be. Thats a nato narrative to make sure we keep protecting them while they spend money on radical left ideals and pinning themselves into energy crisis because of their just stupid policies
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:12 am to LuckyTiger
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These European douchebags are not our allies. They just want us to spend our money to protect them so they don't have to spend their money.
Like Israel?
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:14 am to SlowFlowPro
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And why are people shitting on Europe when we are the ones who went rogue without discussing this war with Europe?
Because they’ve made a suicide pact with Trump, content to ride or die with him even if he dismantles everything and leaves us all worse off, maybe dramatically so.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 10:16 am
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:19 am to Lucky_Stryke
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Putin isnt the boogie man you try to make him to be. Thats a nato narrative to make sure we keep protecting them while they spend money on radical left ideals and pinning themselves into energy crisis because of their just stupid policies
Putin is one of only a few self-righteous militant expansionists in the modern world. Netanyahu is another. We spend a ton on the defense of Israel, but none of you complain about that.
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Care to break down who spends what on defense budgets in nato compared to the US?
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I agreed with Trump holding other nations to account on defense spending requirement, but that’s about it. Doesn’t mean we should dissolve NATO lol.
Also some of the Eastern European countries near Russia spend a higher % GDP on defense than we do.
And once again I promise you we will not reduce defense spending if we leave NATO. You don’t care about spending.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:20 am to SlowFlowPro
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And why are people shitting on Europe when we are the ones who went rogue without discussing this war with Europe
The USA does not and will not EVER answer to Europe. I pray POTUS Trump leaves NATO and lets Russia do what it wants.
Europe will then understand who needs who!!
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:23 am to LuckyTiger
The fact our navy and air force couldn’t keep the straight open and we have a headline like Iran lets something through is a bad look. Obama and Biden did a number on us.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:26 am to beachdude
quote:The Americans who died in WW2 are heroes.
Without the sacrifice of hundreds of thousands of American men, they’d all be speaking German.
But it was the sacrifice of Russian bodies and American treasure that ensured Europe isn’t speaking German.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:26 am to tadman
quote:who’s we?
We aspire to their luxury cars, their clothes, watches, sunglasses
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:34 am to Penrod
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Yes we can. We did it before. Our economy boomed when we were trading with the dirt poor European countries after WW2.
US economy boomed because it was the only industrial base intact. Not from trading with Europe. And Europe wasn’t useful because it was poor, it became useful when it recovered and could buy stuff.
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They pay almost nothing for defense, and rely on the US taxpayer to protect them.
Again, holding other countries to account on defense spending requirements is one thing I agree with Trump on. Most are at or near requirement now. Some NATO countries spend a higher % of their GDP than we do.
The U.S. still spends the most in total, but that’s also because we choose to maintain global military dominance, not just defend Europe.And that won’t change whether we are part of NATO or not.
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the reason we went rogue is because secrecy was vital and we know those MFers would have told the Iranians.
This is where you went full retard.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 10:39 am
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:34 am to Lucky_Stryke
What are people wanting Europe (and Japan, Korea, india, etc) to do with respect to Hormuz? Sending navies in there will most likely cause a flashpoint which could have severe economic consequences. Instead, they are choosing diplomacy - which Europe is good at given their huge market. It might strengthen Iran - at least in the short term, but it is in their interest - in fact most of the world's interests - to negotiate with Iran in this instance.
If you are France, UK, or Japan, etc. it would be incredibly stupid for your first move to send your navy in there to forcefully open up the Straight.
Is the U.S. really opposed to such measures?
If you are France, UK, or Japan, etc. it would be incredibly stupid for your first move to send your navy in there to forcefully open up the Straight.
Is the U.S. really opposed to such measures?
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