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re: Infection rate of vaccinated exceed that of unvaccinated in the UK. New data

Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:29 pm to
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68736 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:29 pm to
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After 2 doses, observed vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease with the Delta variant reaches approximately 65 to 70% with AstraZeneca Vaxzevria and 80 to 95% with Pfizer-BioNTech Comirnaty and Moderna Spikevax (3, 4)



So basically they don’t know, because it was 100%, then 99%, then 95%, now they are throwing out ranges as a fricking guess.

Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68736 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 7:32 pm to
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simply because a larger proportion of the population are vaccinated than unvaccinated and no


Ahhh. So basically what we all said early in with your 98% of hospitalizations since February were unvaccinated. And we all said that % will decline when more are vaccinated because not everyone was fricking eligible back in February.


Again, there is no reason to mandate this you fascists pricks.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:00 pm to
Yes, the vaccines don't stop you from spreading it. seems like this is common knowledge now.
Posted by DTRooster
Belle River, La
Member since Dec 2013
7962 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:15 pm to
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but this was bound to happen once the pool of vaccinated was larger than the pool of unvaccinated.
would that be the case if the 'not a vaccine' actually worked ?
take your time
Posted by Cowboyfan89
Member since Sep 2015
12718 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:24 pm to
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Sasquatch Smash

I like you better when you do your stupid "I'm a normal human" shtick in the wrestling threads.
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Debate the mandates all you want, but this was bound to happen once the pool of vaccinated was larger than the pool of unvaccinated.

This is true. The stupidity is acting like we need to "protect the vaccinated from the unvaccinated". The UK data and even the accounts coming out of nearly every hospital in the US says that's bullshite, because vaccinated people, for the most part, aren't ending up in the hospital or dying in large numbers.

Then again, the vast majority of people under the age of 50 aren't dying from the virus, so the vaccine is pointless for most people anyway.
Posted by ArkLaTexTiger
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
2467 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:31 pm to
It's probably not going away until we've all had it at least once.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98936 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:32 pm to
Terrorist
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11810 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:33 pm to
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Yes, the vaccines don't stop you from spreading it. seems like this is common knowledge now.

Except it isn’t at all and people are losing their jobs and being restricted from commerce over it right this second because of the endless vax propaganda
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
25122 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:34 pm to
Pandemic of the triple vaxxed?




Let’s go Brandon!!!
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30600 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:38 pm to
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Infection rate of vaccinated exceed that of unvaccinated in the UK. New data
Wouldn't that happen if a huge majority of the population was, in fact, vaccinated?
The % could still be lower even though the actual # was higher.
Posted by TiketheMiger
Member since Oct 2011
1511 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 8:57 pm to
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So basically they don’t know, because it was 100%, then 99%, then 95%, now they are throwing out ranges as a fricking guess.


In science the more data you have the more accurate you can be.

While they may have had tens of thousands of trial patients that they used to base the 90-95% effectiveness with they now have 50 million people they can use the data for plus a longer observational time.

A new virus plus new vaccinations means a lot of small sample sizes at first so the numbers change as the sample sizes grow, but it isn’t because they “don’t know”. They weren’t lying to you, it’s just what the numbers told them at the time.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111554 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:00 pm to
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In science the more data you have the more accurate you can be.


So that explains why Pfizer didn’t document the 3410 suspected Covid cases in their trial. Because they wanted more data?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111554 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:00 pm to
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Wouldn't that happen if a huge majority of the population was, in fact, vaccinated? The % could still be lower even though the actual # was higher.


It’s not total number of infected. Which you would see if you actually read the OP.
Posted by Swazla
Member since Jul 2016
1449 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:07 pm to
hey are literally making this shite up.
Posted by BeepNode
Lafayette
Member since Feb 2014
10005 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:09 pm to
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Except it isn’t at all and people are losing their jobs and being restricted from commerce over it right this second because of the endless vax propaganda



Look, I think vaccines are great and are useful but what we're seeing right now is a religion. It's like a digital version of Catholic crusades. Seems like conservatives would relate to such fanaticism about imposing virtue unto others.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30860 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:26 pm to
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Sorry to rain on y’all’s parade but this is not evidence to support your incorrect opinions on the COVID-19 vaccines.


The proper interpretation of the data is probably more nuanced than the OP, I'll grant you that. However, everything you quoted is spin baby spin. It's right there for you to read and doesn't even really take much critical thinking, how do you not see it?

It's pretty amazing these studies can present that data accurately yet still frame the narrative they want because they know how obtuse their readers are and will eat up whatever they say regardless of the numbers right in their face.
This post was edited on 10/10/21 at 9:28 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57317 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:53 pm to
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Everyone is gonna get Rona.
Your choice with or without a shot.
This.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140571 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:56 pm to
What percentage of us have gotten it according to the powerbottom phag klan?

I suspect I’ve had it.

But I don’t know many that have.

All I know were old.
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15742 posts
Posted on 10/10/21 at 11:20 pm to
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Everyone is gonna get Rona.
Your choice with or without a shot.


This needs to be the focus instead of pushing the shot.

From the OP, the hospitalizations and death rates are multiples higher for unvaccinated than vaccinated, but as a percentage of the population, it's pretty low.

The discussion needs to be about an individual's decision on getting the shot and what it means for them, understanding that while the risk of hospitalization to the overall population is low, the number of unvaccinated hospitalizations tend to far exceed the vaccinated patients.
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