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re: In Montreal, you can’t have a Christian singer have a worship service in a Church

Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:28 pm to
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:28 pm to
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Is it a normal weekly occurrence? I believe this would fall under that "universal permitting" kilo was referencing earlier, but it depends on locality.

It doesn't have to be weekly to be normal.

Same with a music concert, graduation, guest speaker, fundraising event held in a church. Even an Easter celebration, which could bring in 3x the normal number of congregants, which the church sets up temporary seating out in the parking lot for, which pushes parking into the surrounding neighborhood would be considered normal in this context.

In other words, a church never needs a permit to put on an event in the normal course of being a church.
Posted by Adam Banks
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:28 pm to
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He had already applied for permits elsewhere. If he "sincerely didn't see it as a concert", it would make no sense for that prior behavior to have occurred.


That was him going along to get along.


Not because he didn’t see it as a worship service



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Also, he was told prior to the event that a permit was needed.




And he had one and they revoked it for no fault of his own.





When you go along to get along and they stab you in the back then at some point you have to stand up for yourself and beliefs.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:34 pm to
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That was him going along to get along.

That shows his knowledge of what his performances required, though.

You can't claim that after he displayed the understanding, multiple times, he didn't understand the understanding re: permits.

To get Biblical, he already had eaten from the forbidden fruit of knowledge.

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And he had one and they revoked it for no fault of his own.

Not for this event. That's true for the prior events.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:38 pm to
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That was him going along to get along.



It was him following the rules for an event in a public place. There was no attempt for a permit once they moved to the church, because reasonable people understand that wouldn't require a permit, usually.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:40 pm to
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That shows his knowledge of what his performances required, though.


Yes. A concert in a public space explicitly requires a permit in almost every locale.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:42 pm to
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they are the ones who are getting the fine.


It will be interesting to see if they have to pay the fine.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:43 pm to
Also, fun fact. He went to a Spanish-speaking church for this event.

Replaced the regularly-scheduled Café para 2

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quote:

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Free entry – Invite another couple!


A service from February

The service is in Spanish with a French translator. And it's 2+ hours long.

None of this is dispositive for the various discussions, but it just adds to the ambience.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:44 pm to
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A concert in a public space explicitly requires a permit in almost every locale.


So the authorities claiming the event in the church required a permit were lying? Making shite up?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:44 pm to
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He went to a Spanish-speaking church for this event.


What do you think that means?
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:45 pm to
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So the authorities claiming the event in the church required a permit were lying? Making shite up?


Yes. That’s exactly my claim.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:46 pm to
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What do you think that means?

He went to a Spanish-speaking church for this event
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:46 pm to
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show us the permit they needed to do it.

The OP claims it can't be done:
quote:

In Montreal, you can’t have a Christian singer have a worship service in a Church

Are you agreeing that the OP was being hyperbolic, at best?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:51 pm to
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Yes. That’s exactly my claim.


I'll go look again. For you

Advice for Planning an Events in Quebec

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Legalities in Quebec may vary from your province. For example, no event can run past 3:00 a.m.; it’s the law. Also, you need multiple permits depending on the size of your party and what you are going to serve. If holding an event outside, add on a few more permits and if you are in a public space…keep adding. The task of getting permits may be very puzzling for a first-timer, so be sure to ask all the right questions and, again, consider hiring a consultant to help you get through it.


I'll keep looking
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:52 pm to
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It will be interesting to see if they have to pay the fine.


I'm curious about if they even bother to follow through on the fine, it's going to be a really short case.
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3996 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:53 pm to
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In Canada religions get a lot of leeway on how they worship and who they invite.

Are you saying that, in Montreal, they can't have a Christian singer have worship service in a church?

I say they can, but it depends on the person.
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They should be able to invite anyone they want.

Not if it's going to result in general civil unrest. The government has an obligation to keep the peace.

I agree that it doesn't always seem to be equally applied, but the OP is misleading.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:54 pm to
Yeah. I’d keep looking. There isn’t a single claim made there other than after 3 AM.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

He went to a Spanish-speaking church for this event


Oh ok. So it had no meaning.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
477263 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 3:57 pm to
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There isn’t a single claim made there other than after 3 AM.

Except the references to multiple permits you will have to apply for

Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
21295 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 4:00 pm to
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You can't claim that after he displayed the understanding, multiple times, he didn't understand the understanding re: permits.

There is only one person I’ve ever known to claim every church on the planet has to obtain a permit without exception to have any singer perform. It’s universal, lol. Something that is universal is applicable to all people, things, or situations. That’s quite a claim. Not even qualifying it with in this specific case.
This post was edited on 7/26/25 at 4:02 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 7/26/25 at 4:00 pm to
Churches host events that aren’t worship services all the time. Ours hosted a choir a few months ago and it was quite a lovely evening.

I wonder if the church was charging people to attend or if it was a free event. Normally these things are free with some sort of voluntary offering. If so, the state should stay out of it.
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