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re: “If Tyre Nichols Had Complied He Would Still Be Alive….”
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:34 am to Jake88
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:34 am to Jake88
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But, if the guy gets out and cooperates during the initial encounter, is he dead today?
You can “if, but, if, but, if, but…” into infinity yet from the very git-go of this traffic stop, the only difference between these cops and a pack of rabid coyotes was a frothing at the mouth. These brutes were psychopaths with badges looking for any reason to inflict torment upon another person.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 1:28 pm
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:34 am to Toomer Deplorable
OP is dead on.
Police are supposed to be professionals.
I used to fall into that trap. All the way back to Rodney King. "Well, if he hadn't fled, they wouldn't have beat his arse like that".
But wait a fricking second. Are they cops or just a bunch of bubbas someone gave a gun? You catch the fricker. Get him under control. Then you're done. This ain't frickin complicated.
Police are supposed to be professionals.
I used to fall into that trap. All the way back to Rodney King. "Well, if he hadn't fled, they wouldn't have beat his arse like that".
But wait a fricking second. Are they cops or just a bunch of bubbas someone gave a gun? You catch the fricker. Get him under control. Then you're done. This ain't frickin complicated.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:36 am to Toomer Deplorable
Not in any way trying to defend the cops here, but so many of these stories begin with resisting or fleeing. Seems like more people would survive if the memo was sent out that the only option is to submit. Argue your innocence and your rights later. Don’t try to reason with a keyed up guy with a gun on his hip. Just submit.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:36 am to Jake88
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The cops should rot in jail.
But, if the guy gets out and cooperates during the initial encounter, is he dead today?
Yeah. If he cooperates, he's probably good.
The police still are murderers. IDGAF what the untrained, non-professional who is NOT paid by the taxpayers did.
The tax paid thugs need to be dealt with and it goes a LOT farther than these cops.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 8:39 am
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:37 am to Toomer Deplorable
I’m convinced half of these people didn’t watch the video. He never did not comply until he ran, and the events leading to him running with how they were treating him make it hard to say what the guy should have done in the moment. They were being so aggressive with him even though he was following their orders that there is no telling what his adrenaline and fight or flight senses were telling him.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:38 am to OBReb6
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I’m convinced half of these people didn’t watch the video. He never did not comply until he ran, and the events leading to him running with how they were treating him make it hard to say what the guy should have done in the moment. They were being so aggressive with him even though he was following their orders that there is no telling what his adrenaline and fight or flight senses were telling him.
And now that I've seen the video.........I have to say that if I lived in Memphis and found myself surrounded by 5 angry cops, flight might be on my mind too!!!
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:39 am to OBReb6
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This is levels of bootlicking cope
Are you 12?
Depending on the timeline I think I'd go for 1st degree on the cops, not 2nd. They murdered him. I'm able to separate that fact from the guy's actions, and when they were first trying to cuff him he wasn't complying. You're correct in that some of that was the standard "stop resisting" bs that cops do, but not all of it.
If you want to see a guy try to comply and still get shot look at the Daniel Shaver video. Then frick off.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:40 am to CamdenTiger
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Don’t really know, guy acted weird, like he was under some influence, or knew an arse beating was coming, or just scared of the cops…
Acting weird is not grounds for arbitrary execution in America
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:42 am to Flats
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when they were first trying to cuff him he wasn't complying
How? Be specific. He did everything they asked, he wasn’t moving around. What more could he have possibly done?
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:44 am to Toomer Deplorable
Almost every police agency in the country is hiring right now. If people feel like they can do better then go for it . I would never be a cop the way the media has turned the country against them . At the end of the day he would be alive if he complied .
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:45 am to OBReb6
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I’m convinced half of these people didn’t watch the video. He never did not comply until he ran, and the events leading to him running with how they were treating him make it hard to say what the guy should have done in the moment. They were being so aggressive with him even though he was following their orders that there is no telling what his adrenaline and fight or flight senses were telling him.
It is to difficult to watch because of it’s surreal theatricality. It is akin to watching a pro-wrestling match in which a tag-team of heels beat a protagonist to a bloody pulp — except the blows were all too real.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:47 am to tjv305
quote:A great many of those departments shouldn't even exist.
Almost every police agency in the country is hiring right now. If people feel like they can do better then go for it . I would never be a cop the way the media has turned the country against them . At the end of the day he would be alive if he complied .
We are giving authority to a LOT of people who have no fricking business having that authority. And, in many towns, they really are nothing more than locally hired revenue producing gangs.
Memphis isn't in that group, but, the point remains.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:48 am to Jake88
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The cops should rot in jail. But, if the guy gets out and cooperates during the initial encounter, is he dead today?
This guy actually committed a crime or at least warranted being stopped, correct? The interwebs says he was stopped for reckless driving.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:49 am to Toomer Deplorable
quote:HHTM, Rexcatur, McGrath, Displaced Buckeye, 14, Powerputz, 3Sons, cwill, are looking this word up in a swift, brisk, posthaste manner...
There is no context or ameliorating circumstance
LOL@TigerDoc, Lou Pai Pai, and Navy Tiger Polly seeing your vernacular...
Careful, they got a mad crush on you instantly!
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 8:51 am
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:49 am to SquaringCircles
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Not in any way trying to defend the cops here, but so many of these stories begin with resisting or fleeing. Seems like more people would survive if the memo was sent out that the only option is to submit. Argue your innocence and your rights later. Don’t try to reason with a keyed up guy with a gun on his hip. Just submit.
There's no guarantee you're going to get to that point. Cops do kill people, every year, and in some cases they're horribly unjustified, like this one.
My point, if it was YOUR life on the line (and you believed ir was in legitimate danger), how confident are you fight or flight wouldn't kick in? Just willing to sit there and hope you don't die?
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:49 am to momentoftruth87
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momentoftruth87
You are a retard.
That is all.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:50 am to Toomer Deplorable
Those cops were incredibly unprofessional during the entire course of the arrest
There is no defending this
This is coming from someone in law enforcement
There is no defending this
This is coming from someone in law enforcement
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:54 am to OBReb6
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How? Be specific. He did everything they asked, he wasn’t moving around.
The entire first 30 seconds. He's continually telling them stop, you can't do that, don't do that. When he's on his knees they're pushing his upper body down because they want him flat on the ground so he can't run. He continuously pushes back and to the right, turning his head (also a big red flag) to see them instead of going face down. Then the big one, he cocks his leg out to the left so he has leverage to get up and run. That wasn't an accident.
Someone face down and flat can't quickly do anything and isn't a threat. He tried (and was successful) to not get into that position and that's how he was able to get up and run away. They suck at their job and he took advantage of it.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 8:57 am
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:56 am to mmcgrath
Anyone in pure adrenaline self-defense mode would have ran like the wind.
He should have just went into woods and stayed there.
We may be thinking he should have found somewhere to hide until they got off duty; then called an uber to go to the address not registered to his car. Then what? Call the cops on the cops?
He should have just went into woods and stayed there.
We may be thinking he should have found somewhere to hide until they got off duty; then called an uber to go to the address not registered to his car. Then what? Call the cops on the cops?
Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:57 am to Toomer Deplorable
I'll go watch the video to determine if he deserved it.
Eta: pffff lol, that dude deserved it. You kidding me? Oh here comes the "muh bootlickers" clownshow.
Eta: pffff lol, that dude deserved it. You kidding me? Oh here comes the "muh bootlickers" clownshow.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 9:03 am
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