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re: If Biden was out of it, and his staff was running things via autopen - is that criminal?
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:01 am to cyarrr
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:01 am to cyarrr
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If he lacked capacity, (He did) and they were aware, (they were) then there is a huge issue of legality.
I don't think that'll ever be proven. I mean, we know they know we know... but there's just no way to definitively pin the tail on that donkey.
It sucks.
Autopen needs to be outlawed for official top tier government business.
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Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:03 am to Jax-Tiger
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If Biden was out of it, and his staff was running things via autopen - is that criminal?
Ask the Rohirrim what they thought.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:04 am to Jax-Tiger
Would it take Biden to confirm he had no idea? Would Biden go scorched earth now that the cat’s out of the bag? That would be quite a patriotic twist.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:07 am to Richleau
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Would it take Biden to confirm he had no idea? Would Biden go scorched earth now that the cat’s out of the bag? That would be quite a patriotic twist.
My suspicion is that a lot of these recent disclosures and revelations were out of fear that Dr. Jill was on the verge of doing just that.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:10 am to Y.A. Tittle
What would be stopping her at this point? They basically are kicking a corpse. His legacy would instantly be restored by rolling over on the cretins and their misdeeds.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:10 am to Jax-Tiger
Like O’Reilly said, there’s really no past precedent or any known means whether to say it’s a crime or not, or what the punishment should/would be.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:11 am to Jax-Tiger
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his could go somewhere meaningful, even if no crimes were committed. If we can expose beyond a shadow of a doubt that Biden was cuckoo for Coco-Puffs, then a lot of people could be out in the Democrat power structure. The infighting as people try to distance themselves from this will be epic. One thing people with close ties to he administration SHOULD NOT be able to do is to say they had no idea that Joe was impaired. EVERYONE knew and we need to make sure that everyone who claims otherwise is exposed for being a liar.
You should be smart enough by now to know that none of this will happen either.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:12 am to SallysHuman
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All they have to claim is they had his orders to sign documents. I doubt he'd deny it.
But what if he had a dementia brain fart and basically said that he didn’t sign any of that crap……. Would be priceless.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:13 am to Richleau
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What would be stopping her at this point? They basically are kicking a corpse. His legacy would instantly be restored by rolling over on the cretins and their misdeeds.
I think the thought being, let's sort of slow roll it all out through various media sources and drops here and there, such that there's no big "revelation" to shock the public over.
Of course, he was declining. That's not really news!
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:17 am to Yewkindewit
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But what if he had a dementia brain fart and basically said that he didn’t sign any of that crap……. Would be priceless.
I'd eat it up with a spoon.
Devil's advocate explains the discrepancy by saying he's demented NOW, but wasn't then.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:23 am to ChineseBandit58
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I do not see how anyone who was involved with this cover-up can be allowed to continue in any sort of official capacity - and their actions ought to be screened with the PRESUMPTION that they were knowingly committing TREASONOUS 'palace coup'.
^^^^^
This is the correct answer
We as a people have become too soft
People should be hanging from trees for this
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:25 am to SallysHuman
it would never happen but the way to get to the bottom of this is to have Biden in front of congress and go through all the pardons and bills he signed into law.
You'll remember Biden arguing about a bill that was signed, he vehemently denied he signed the bill. Which, technically is true.
But after him sitting in front of congress and the drugs wearing off, they'd see his incompetence and decline.
A president has to give authorization to us the autopen if I'm not mistaken. I would think there is no way in hell he authorized any of it. But, not sure how to prove it.
when in front of congress and he says he did not sign or authorize a bill to be signed and it has been, then strike it. Same with pardon's.
You'll remember Biden arguing about a bill that was signed, he vehemently denied he signed the bill. Which, technically is true.
But after him sitting in front of congress and the drugs wearing off, they'd see his incompetence and decline.
A president has to give authorization to us the autopen if I'm not mistaken. I would think there is no way in hell he authorized any of it. But, not sure how to prove it.
when in front of congress and he says he did not sign or authorize a bill to be signed and it has been, then strike it. Same with pardon's.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:28 am to Jax-Tiger
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running things via autopen
One would think that utilizing the autopen without express permission would be some type of fraud is the best of circumstances... The issue will be when did the Turnip lose the ability to give his express permission...
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:29 am to bbvdd
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when in front of congress and he says he did not sign or authorize a bill to be signed and it has been, then strike it. Same with pardon's.
What a fustercluck that would be.
Even if one could, or even should... there is just no way to tell when he turniped out.
Doc O'Conner purposefully never gave him a cognitive test the entire time he was in office. This was by design.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:32 am to The Maj
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One would think that utilizing the autopen without express permission would be some type of fraud is the best of circumstances...
In what situation would an autopen even be necessary when "express permission" is being given? It just seems like a rather pointless extra step.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:34 am to Y.A. Tittle
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autopen even be necessary when "express permission" is being given
Not sure but I assume it is handled similar to a check stamp, where a CEO signs the register of checks run but each check is stamped with his or her signature...
Doubt anything comes of this though...
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:37 am to Jax-Tiger
Possibly false statements (but mostly used during investigations):
18 usca 1001
Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
18 usca 1001
Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:39 am to mwade91383
You’d be fine with Trump using auto pen not sure if he had the mental capacity to know it was being done, right?
Don’t answer. It will be bullshite.
Don’t answer. It will be bullshite.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:40 am to momentoftruth87
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Not surprised roadgators boyfriend doesn’t know if it was illegal or not.
You just can’t quit me. Always on your mind.
And it is awesome.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:44 am to Jax-Tiger
Yes. if Biden was out of it then it was a crime to sign his name using auto pen.
I doubt it can be proven to the point of finding someone guilty of forgery/fraud/etc. But it is still a crime if Biden did not and/or was incapable of understanding and making the decision to agree to whatever it was that was signed.
I doubt it can be proven to the point of finding someone guilty of forgery/fraud/etc. But it is still a crime if Biden did not and/or was incapable of understanding and making the decision to agree to whatever it was that was signed.
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