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re: I was lied to about Nixon
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:52 am to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 3/7/24 at 10:52 am to RaoulDuke504
Watergate is equivalent to a J-walking violation compared to what the dems and their deep state axis did to President Trump.
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Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:17 am to Dday63
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When Madison sought a Declaration of War in 1812, the US military was in shambles, but he thought the State militia would carry the day. (The Federalist Party members in Congress voted against the war)
None of this historical narrative makes sense.
Still no explanation for the British incursion into supposed "sovereign" US territory.
Again, a British military expeditionary sails from Brit-ruled Canada into the Potomac in 1814, unloads a bunch of personal and weaponry, sets the governing building of the US afire UN-OPPOSED, returning to their ships -- and THAT story is supposed to be accepted, no questions asked? Oh. And Madison's wife supposedly "saves" G. Washington's portrait?? Ridiculous.
At this time Europe is embroiled in a continental war; The threat of war with everyone and anyone is possible in a "newly established" like the (supposed) fledgling USA. An unprepared, under-armed America at the time not only made no sense, but if taken at face value was monumentally negligent.
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Turns out, when the Second Amendment says militia are necessary for the security of a free state, it means State, and not Nation. The militia defended their own states, and watched the Red Coats march on down to DC, which had no militia.
By 1814, the US military had recovered, and Madison was able to sign a peace treaty returning everything to status quo. Essentially a stalemate, although the US claims victory.
I disbelieve this entire timeline and narrative. "Stalemate" with the Brits in 1814? Based on exactly what leverage would Madison & Co have used to force a "stalemate" and peace without any army of military presence?
Frankly, it all reeks of a creative license taken that helps create "Mythical America". The truth is not something the "Narrative" overlords ever wanted on the "Historical record".
It is often said, "History is written by the Victors". (So in the alternative actual history, the British Crown actually retained control of America after all -- and still do.)
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:21 am to Auburn1968
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Watergate is equivalent to a J-walking violation compared to what the dems and their deep state axis did to President Trump
Watergate hearings interrupted the reruns of Gilligans Island at my friends house, which was the only tv show my mom let us watch.
The word makes me anxious to this day
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:25 am to Auburn1968
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Watergate is equivalent to a J-walking violation compared to what the dems and their deep state axis did to President Trump.
Exactly.
But just like it's "Who counts the votes" that matters, it's "Whomever has the power to vilify & demonize" in the (controlled) political arena that counts."
Since FDR's regime took power, ONLY Republicans have been the target of public "execution", humiliation, scrutiny, and "wrong-doing" by "secret" intra-agency and media levers of power and assault.
Conversely ONLY Dims have been able to operate within the system, given full personal & political impunity and immunity.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:50 am to HubbaBubba
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but had Perot won
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:59 am to POTUS2024
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The Watergate stuff was sheer stupidity, though, probably brought on by some paranoia after what he'd seen in government.
Nixon knew nothing about the Watergate planning or break-in until after it was discovered. It's all in G. Gordon Liddy's book:
It was John Dean's idea after his wife (a former DC prostitute) told John that her prostitute friends said the DNC headquarters in the Watergate Hotel were calling them for services.
Dean, Liddy, etc decided to plant some bugs on the phones without telling Nixon.
After the book came out Dean told Liddy that he was suing for slander. Liddy wrote back: 'See ya in court.' Dean knew Liddy had all the evidence and backed off.
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 3/7/24 at 11:59 am to kingbob
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Nixon was paranoid…because he WAS being followed, he WAS being wiretapped, and there WAS a conspiracy underfoot to remove him. He wasn’t delusional, he was RIGHT.
Also noteworthy that Nixon had no avenue to push back on Watergate. You had TV and print media. Bob Woodward just happen to miracously have all the details and talking points.
The same was tried with Donald Trump with Russia Collusion. Hillary Clinton let Barack Obama know exactly what she was going to do, how she was going to do it, and that resources she would be using to assist her.
The downfall of Clinton and Obama in their attempt was that they didn't have 100% control of the information media because of how vastly it was spread out.
You take Patriots like Admiral Mike Rogers and Devin Nunez who saw what was happening and placed major kinks into the plan. Along with so many independent journalists who were actually looking for the Truth. Not the complicit MSM who would simply repeat what the DNC fed them.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:02 pm to Liberator
The big take from Watergate was that the American people were shocked that the President would lie to them in such an obvious manner.
Today we are disappointed if the President hasn;t lied by 9a on a Monday.
Today we are disappointed if the President hasn;t lied by 9a on a Monday.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:25 pm to ronricks
quote:He could have beaten McGovern from his basement but his paranoia got him. But as always, the cover up is worse than the crime.
His extreme paranoia is what did him in.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:33 pm to Diamondawg
Little known fact: Nixon won $10,000 as a young naval officer playing poker while stationed in the Pacific in WWII. Maybe the smartest President ever. He understood the math of poker.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 12:40 pm to JackieTreehorn
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I like Nixon. His comments on the Bohemian Grove elites were hilarious. “Those San Francisco people are there and it’s just horrible. It’s the most faggy goddamn thing you can imagine.”
There was an HBO documentary about Nixon's various recordings of his private phone conversations (with friends, family, and staff) and he was hilarious at times especially when he had been drinking
Posted on 3/7/24 at 1:01 pm to RaoulDuke504
No one thought Nixon was a bumbling fool.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 2:30 pm to ronricks
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His extreme paranoia is what did him in.
That is BS. His work to put a Communist Spy, Alger Hiss, in prison is what got him in trouble.
Their methods have not changed since the Bolshevik Revolution.
The Left's vindictiveness has never wavered.
Example! See Jan 6.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 2:36 pm to prplhze2000
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Nixon, brought us OSHA,
I can verify that OSHA was good for the American worker. It has saved many workers from being electrocuted and other fatal mishaps.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:09 pm to suavecito80
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Welcome to the club buddy. I’ll add I fought in a war (Iraq 2003) that was fabricated completely. So yeah, we are on the same wavelength
Thanks for your service, and that’s one big sore spot for me as well. I knew that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, & bin Laden , or Afghanistan. But there were so much deception and intentional miscommunication by the Bush administration over why we had to go. It shames me to admit, I halfway bought in to the lies. Not that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11, but the convoluted explanations of why we had to go in & to take out chemical weapons which did not exist.
The chemical weapons we & our allies sent to Iraq to keep it from losing the war with Iran had a shelf life that was long over by 2001.
But the yellow cake!
But the long tubes!
But the mysterious cargo ships that were sailing around the oceans and not responding to radio calls… Does anyone even remember that story? It made the news cycle for a few days and then vanished. As if we couldn’t find the damn cargo ship let alone three with satellite tracking available. It was fear porn by the Bush administration meant to distract us and get us worked up. That & 100 other stories.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:10 pm to RaoulDuke504
Seeing what the DC swamp has done to Trump, and how Trump has weathered all attacks - Nixon's ghost would be impressed.
We owe Richard Nixon a massive apology.
We owe Richard Nixon a massive apology.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:57 pm to RaoulDuke504
The sad thing about the whole Nixon fiasco was that he was right about the uniparty. But they were going after him because Nixon was opening the door to China. Back in those days they were correct to try to stop Nixon. He was right about how they could do it
Its a split decision. They won, but Nixon killed us all with the Chinese push
There are no coincidences at that level of politics
The deep state set him up in June '72, after his Feb '72 trip to China
Its a split decision. They won, but Nixon killed us all with the Chinese push
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In the words of one of his ambassadors, Nixon’s eight-day visit in February of 1972 was “the week that changed the world”
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In August 1972, Nixon gave a speech in which he swore that his White House staff was not involved in the break-in. Most voters believed him, and in November the president was reelected in a landslide victory.
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In an evening televised address on August 8, 1974, President Richard M. Nixon announces his intention to become the first president in American history to resign
There are no coincidences at that level of politics
The deep state set him up in June '72, after his Feb '72 trip to China
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:10 pm to Liberator
You are welcome to question the specifics of a conflict from over 200 years ago, though I don't think this is the thread for it.
Things are not senseless or defy explanation just because you say so, though. Just do a little reading.
The weird thing about the War of 1812 was that neither side was really into it or prepared for it. The New England states threatened to secede over it.
Britain was blocking US expansion into the Great Lakes region, and harassing ships crossing the Atlantic, so the US declared war.
Like Senator Tuberville said, hindsight is 50/50. Jefferson and Madison believed a standing army led directly to authoritian control. They believed it was an anathema to Democracy. They also believed State Militia were the answer to national defense. Further, we had an entire ocean defending us
What they didn't realize were the State militias were poorly trained, and unprepared to leave their state borders.
They were fighting a War. Having chased the Yankees out of Canada, they came on down into the Continental US.
As you noted, they were Aldo fighting Napoleon in Europe and had little resources to commit.
This is where you need to read up a bit. British War against Napoleon ended in 1814. The Americans expected an influx of British resources.
The Chesapeake bay had been bottled up by the British for almost the entire War. They finally had the resources for a major incursion, and the imbecile military leaders Jefferson put in charge botched everything.
DC was evacuated before the Brits got there, saving a lot of documents, like originals of the Constitution.
And the Brits didn't just get back on their boats after burning DC. They prepared to attack Baltimore, where they were defeated, and the Star Spangled Banner was written.
As I said, the US Military had regrouped by 1814. They defeated the Brits in New Orleans and Baltimore, and the entire British Navy retreated in defeat after losing the Battle of Lake Champlain, giving the US victory in New York.
By late 1814, England would either have to commit tremendous resources to an unpopular war - right on the heels of ending their wR with Napolean or accept peace.
Things are not senseless or defy explanation just because you say so, though. Just do a little reading.
The weird thing about the War of 1812 was that neither side was really into it or prepared for it. The New England states threatened to secede over it.
Britain was blocking US expansion into the Great Lakes region, and harassing ships crossing the Atlantic, so the US declared war.
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An unprepared, under-armed America at the time not only made no sense, but if taken at face value was monumentally negligent.
Like Senator Tuberville said, hindsight is 50/50. Jefferson and Madison believed a standing army led directly to authoritian control. They believed it was an anathema to Democracy. They also believed State Militia were the answer to national defense. Further, we had an entire ocean defending us
What they didn't realize were the State militias were poorly trained, and unprepared to leave their state borders.
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Still no explanation for the British incursion into supposed "sovereign" US territory.
They were fighting a War. Having chased the Yankees out of Canada, they came on down into the Continental US.
As you noted, they were Aldo fighting Napoleon in Europe and had little resources to commit.
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Again, a British military expeditionary sails from Brit-ruled Canada into the Potomac in 1814, unloads a bunch of personal and weaponry, sets the governing building of the US afire UN-OPPOSED, returning to their ships -- and THAT story is supposed to be accepted, no questions asked? Oh. And Madison's wife supposedly "saves" G. Washington's portrait?? Ridiculous.
This is where you need to read up a bit. British War against Napoleon ended in 1814. The Americans expected an influx of British resources.
The Chesapeake bay had been bottled up by the British for almost the entire War. They finally had the resources for a major incursion, and the imbecile military leaders Jefferson put in charge botched everything.
DC was evacuated before the Brits got there, saving a lot of documents, like originals of the Constitution.
And the Brits didn't just get back on their boats after burning DC. They prepared to attack Baltimore, where they were defeated, and the Star Spangled Banner was written.
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Stalemate" with the Brits in 1814? Based on exactly what leverage would Madison & Co have used to force a "stalemate" and peace without any army of military presence?
As I said, the US Military had regrouped by 1814. They defeated the Brits in New Orleans and Baltimore, and the entire British Navy retreated in defeat after losing the Battle of Lake Champlain, giving the US victory in New York.
By late 1814, England would either have to commit tremendous resources to an unpopular war - right on the heels of ending their wR with Napolean or accept peace.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 7:22 pm to ronricks
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Nixon might have been a criminal
Nope.
Just doing what hundreds of other Politicians did.
Posted on 3/7/24 at 7:23 pm to RaoulDuke504
Nixon was one of the best presidents this nation ever had.
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