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I was lied to about Nixon

Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:38 am
Posted by RaoulDuke504
Member since Aug 2023
726 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:38 am
For years I was sold that he was a bumbling fool who was a criminal and terrible president instead he was a casualty of the deep state.

-Warned about the media
-Warned about the intelligence community
-Warned about the decline of moral values
-Warned about the belittling of men
-Warned about the sick sex clubs of the elite
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 9:34 am
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
6362 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 3:42 am to
Nixon might have been a criminal but he was far from a bumbling fool. He was sharp as a tack and very smart which is why people wonder how he got himself in the situation he did. His extreme paranoia is what did him in.
Posted by ScottFowler
NE Ohio
Member since Sep 2012
4126 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 4:29 am to
quote:

Nixon might have been a criminal but he was far from a bumbling fool. He was sharp as a tack and very smart which is why people wonder how he got himself in the situation he did. His extreme paranoia is what did him in.


He was setup by the IC.

Posted by tigerfan 64
in the LP
Member since Sep 2016
3739 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 4:48 am to
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He was setup by the IC.

He was the second pres to be jfk'd, except without being shot.

The MIC must not have wanted him to de-escalate/end the Vietnam conflict.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
10917 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 4:52 am to
I never heard anyone accuse him of being a fool. He also warned about the growing size of government and the administrative state, talking about 'little people in big jobs'.

The Watergate stuff was sheer stupidity, though, probably brought on by some paranoia after what he'd seen in government. He had re-election completely locked up. All he had to do was coast. There was never a need for opposition research or wargaming or anything else that you could say Watergate stemmed from.

For many years, after the wounds of the civil war healed, people generally thought that our federal government was good - good people trying to do good things. Made mistakes but overall people trying to do good. Malice was there, but it was thought to be the exception, not the rule. Nixon (and things like the Church Committee) was exposing that fallacy and showing that the government had started to sour, and in that effort he became part of the storyline for how and when government goes bad, and it was totally unnecessary.

To some degree, the problems of government were able to be laid at the feet of Nixon, and Nixon alone. As a result, the People were delayed in finding out that the whole thing was rotting and it wasn't just one man and his inner cabal.

That got us Ford and the nation was so angry about Nixon that it got us Carter, who was a disaster in every way, except in his handling of the Three Mile Island situation in which he was quite good. That got us Reagan who we thought was fixing stuff, but it was just a bandaid and he made some stupid mistakes like with amnesty. Overall it felt like things moved in the right direction with Reagan, though.

Unfortunately he had Bush as VP and Bush road the coattails to the White House and he was a moron, a slave to the MIC, and believed in the neocon, new scheme of world dominance. He was former CIA. Everyone should have seen it coming with him. He completely mishandled our posture at the fall of the USSR and helped set conditions for what we are seeing today with regard to friction with Russia. He stepped on his crank with 'read my lips' and we got Clinton, who ushered in a "whole of government" approach to corruption, and it's been downhill ever since.

Once we got wholesale corruption with Clinton, and zero consequences for Clinton, Democrats, and the Republicans as well, then the table was completely reset. DC found out that they could do whatever they wanted to do and there would be zero consequences, so long as they all stuck together. That was the major change from Nixon in the roughly 25yrs to Clinton.

We ended up with a uni-party where everyone is corrupt, they pretend to fight, they sow division among the population, and no matter what, they close ranks to protect the enterprise that benefits them. DC is in it for DC.

I remember some of my teachers, when I was very young, trying to explain the Nixon situation but I was too young to comprehend any of the nuance. I had one teacher that was a very smart and very conservative guy. Had another that was a diehard protestor from that era, had been involved in the Gainesville 8, or was friends with them, or something. Wish I could talk to them now and see how they view the current situation.
Posted by Topisawtiger
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2012
3487 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:02 am to
I agree with your narrative except for one part. Where Bush went wrong was "read my lips". That statement was harped on by the media but in reality had little to do with his loss. It was Perot that torpedoed his reelection. No Perot, no Clinton. Otherwise, great stuff.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
10917 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:04 am to
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I agree with your narrative except for one part. Where Bush went wrong was "read my lips". That statement was harped on by the media but in reality had little to do with his loss. It was Perot that torpedoed his reelection. No Perot, no Clinton. Otherwise, great stuff.


Good point about Perot.
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
12143 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:10 am to
I don’t know a ton about Nixon. But the media was believed by the people back then and the Government could shape any narrative they wanted.

It’s a lot harder to run the deep stare now that half of Americans automatically assume the media is lying.
Posted by SouthEasternKaiju
SouthEast... you figure it out
Member since Aug 2021
24753 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:11 am to
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I was lied to about...


a great many things.

I was too young to understand Vietnam and all that went down at the time. I assumed that the smartest and most competent among us in DC knew what they were doing by sending nearly 60,000 American soldiers to a meat grinder.
To stop Communism, right?


RIGHT?


Then I grow up and there's a god damn communist POS acting as Director of the CIA in John Brennan.


Everything I was told my whole life by this gov has been a lie.

Everything.
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 5:14 am
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101312 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:31 am to
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I agree with your narrative except for one part. Where Bush went wrong was "read my lips". That statement was harped on by the media but in reality had little to do with his loss. It was Perot that torpedoed his reelection. No Perot, no Clinton. Otherwise, great stuff.


I would contend Perot doesn’t come into existence without “read my lips,” though.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68268 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:33 am to
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why people wonder how he got himself in the situation he did.


Trump is smart too. Why did he let hookers pee on him in russia?
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42520 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 5:47 am to
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extreme paranoia

Nixon was a great man and totally underserving of the bullshite the media and democrats poured down on him.

He was the whipping boy for the emerging collusion between the deep state and the mass media that has endured until this date and been responsible for the destruction of the very sound ideals on which the nation was founded.

His participation in the Watergate fiasco pales into insignificance when compared to the deliberate actions of every Democrat POTUS since then, with the exception of Carter, when compared to the magnitude of the corruption seen since then wrt the calculated evil foisted onto the America people.

Democrats are now a degenerate cult approaching the level of 1938 Germany.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42520 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:00 am to

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He had re-election completely locked up. All he had to do was coast. There was never a need for opposition research or wargaming or anything else that you could say Watergate stemmed from.

This is the misunderstood truth to this day.

Watergate was in no way an 'election' issue = they were indeed coasting to a reelection landslide and everyone knew it. Sort of like the mood of the nation in 2020 just before the COVID ruse was dumped on us by the DNC/China forces.

Watergate was a national security initiative - trying to uncover the roots of the Pentagon Papers leak and the DNC was the prime suspect in that crime. They needed nothing at all to win overwhelming reelection.

Watergate was the impetus for all the evil the foisted upon us since - the merger between the DEMOCRAT party and the JOURNALISM industry created a monster that continues to gather power. Reagan and Trump have given us a brief respite from their sinister plans, but we are losing in the "long march" toward tyranny,
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
7311 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:13 am to
I think I’ve been desensitized because of everything the democrats have done over the last 15 years, especially the last 5. Because now I look at what Nixon did and think that’s it? That’s like an average Tuesday for modern democrats.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57150 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:18 am to
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Nixon might have been a criminal


This is a big lie that was, and is still to this day, perpetuated by the Democrats and their media allies.

Watergate is Sunday School compared to what the Clinton-Obama-Biden Gang have done.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68444 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:18 am to
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and believed in the neocon,


Neo liberalism that was further cemented with Clinton and W.

Whuch is why it’s hilarious the “conservatives” on this board clamor for the Bush Republicans. It’s the Uniparty of the neo liberal world order.
Posted by 308
the backwoods of Mississippi
Member since Sep 2020
1959 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:19 am to
OP, I have been saying the same for 40+ years.

Nixon had flaws, but he also had greatness. He could have contested the 1960 election that was probably stolen from him, but he left it alone because he thought it would tear the country apart. Takes a pretty big man to do that.

He had plans to massively downscale the D.C. bureaucracy in his 2nd term. The swamp took him out instead. It was just another form of assassination.

Watergate was a relatively small matter. World leaders, especially those in Europe, knew that they were witnessing a coup.

But of course the "historians" and the gullible, shallow fools that think Nixon was some huge crook will have none of that.
This post was edited on 3/7/24 at 6:21 am
Posted by 62Tigerfan
Member since Sep 2015
4616 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:38 am to
quote:

Nixon might have been a criminal


I believe that the entire Watergate affair was an intelligence operation designed to destroy Nixon politically. He was the target, not the perpetrator.

Check out Russ Baker's book Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty, America's Invisible Government, and the Hidden History of the Last Fifty Years.
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64595 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:42 am to
Bout time you woke up
Posted by themunch
Earth. maybe
Member since Jan 2007
64595 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 6:43 am to
Democratic Democracy
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