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I don't understand hate crime - what does that add to crime?

Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:05 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:05 pm
10 people were killed. Sounds like no death penalty in NY though
Posted by AUTigerking
Member since Jun 2020
267 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:08 pm to
Yeah. I’d say murder is about as hateful as it gets.

But it’s just a term to appease the crazy lefties. It only applies one way though. Crimes against whites are not hateful
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38791 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:10 pm to
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But it’s just a term to appease the crazy lefties. It only applies one way though. Crimes against whites are not hateful


Is there more penalty or prosecution options?

I am in your camp murder is as hateful as it gets
Posted by RobertFootball
SC
Member since Mar 2021
1337 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:10 pm to
I mean hell, every crime is a hate crime if you want to be honest. Breaking into my home stealing stuff from me is hateful as it can get. Shooting someone because they’re black isn’t anymore hateful than robbing someone because they’re rich.
Posted by Iron Lion
Sipsey
Member since Nov 2014
11812 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:10 pm to
Hate crime is only applicable if the perp is white.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22781 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:12 pm to
Just a law on the books that they passed so they could selectively enforce it against a certain race of people.

Been on the books for years. Hope this realization will wake people up to the long term game they have been playing and winning for a very long time.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38791 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:13 pm to
I watch news a little and basically police said they would treat as hate crime

Well of course it is, but what does that mean. Legally
Posted by UncleD7734
Member since Apr 2019
1298 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:15 pm to
If New York does not have the death penalty, he will be prosecuted under the Federal murder charge which being a hate crime opens the option of the death penalty at the federal level. But I'm no lawyer. Just like to stay at a certain hotel chain.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
34111 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:18 pm to
Politics. White bastards commit hate crimes. Black guys shoot up Chicago, New Orleans, etc, run down people with intent at Christmas parades, and get a hardy hand shake and a 100 dollar bill for their vote.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:18 pm to
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don't understand hate crime - what does that add to crime?


It add a Thought Crime to it.

The act is still the same, but what you were THINKING is also a crime.

This way, we can decouple the violent part of the crime from the thought part, and be left with a separate thought only crime in the near future.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15047 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:19 pm to
Has the question of the constitutionality of hate laws ever been raised to SCOTUS?

Now would be the time!
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40139 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:21 pm to
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I don't understand hate crime - what does that add to crime?


1. It automatically increases the severity of the sentence if convicted.

2. It can be prosecuted in federal court as well as state court.

3. Federal courts can sentence him to death since he committed murder in the process of committing another felony with hate crime being the other felony.

Not saying that it will be prosecuted on the federal level or he will get the death penalty, but charging him with and likely convicting him with puts the death penalty on the table in a state that doesn't have a death penalty.
This post was edited on 5/15/22 at 3:22 pm
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
4957 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:23 pm to
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I don't understand hate crime - what does that add to crime?


It adds that the shooter was white, so white man bad
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62801 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:24 pm to
All crimes are hateful.
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Member since Jul 2019
4406 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:24 pm to
It’s horrible situations either way but I think Proper Thought dictates if this Buffalo wack-job had not been a hateful white racist, these people wouldn’t have died whereas in Chicago, Milwaukee, Baltimore, etc. all those people who die every week …….. well, shite happens. But at least those people didn’t/won’t die due to racism.

I believe that’s what Proper Thought teaches.
Posted by captron
Occupied Sillycon Valley
Member since Jul 2018
404 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:47 pm to
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I don't understand hate crime - what does that add to crime?


It adds a way to further fan the flames to divide this country.
Posted by Quidam65
Q Continuum
Member since Jun 2010
19309 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:47 pm to
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Sounds like no death penalty in NY though



There isn't. Yet in Texas he would most certainly be facing the death penalty. After all we put two (out of three) to death for James Byrd Jr.'s murder, yet we're supposedly the racists here in Texas.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112497 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:48 pm to
It seems to depend on who the DA is in your city.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
3517 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:48 pm to
We do the same with terrorism, if the act was politically or ideologically motivated the perpetrator can be sentenced, tried to a different standard.
Posted by Rekrul
Member since Feb 2007
7953 posts
Posted on 5/15/22 at 3:57 pm to
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It can be prosecuted in federal court


That’s the sole reason for the law, in many cases it allows the federal government to take control over a state issue whenever they see fit.

As others have said, the feds are quite selective when it comes to this “law”. Wonder why that is…
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