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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?

Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:21 pm to
Posted by Realityintheface
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:21 pm to
Did you go to Stanford and graduate?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 8:22 pm to
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If SFP cared so much about it, why vote for Biden?

I didn't vote for Biden

In fact, I've never voted for a DEM for president after 2004
Posted by JJJimmyJimJames
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Posted on 10/3/22 at 11:45 pm to
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Did you go to Stanford and graduate?

unlikely
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 4:55 am to
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Do you believe that Putin really saw them as a threat
NATO, one of the most significant military alliances in the history of the planet? A "threat"? Naw, why in tarnation would he think that?

This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 4:56 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:00 am to
The one thing idiots like this don't realize is we don't care about Russia or the Ukraine.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:35 am to
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Everything I can find is 32 kts (37mph).
64mph according to the Pentagon. Of course, considering the thing relies on stealth tech, running at higher speeds is not only unnecessary, it would be counterproductive.

The largest nuke ever tested was the Tzar Bomb at 56 megatons. This thing has a 100 megaton dirty bomb payload. That is unpleasant.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 5:51 am to
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20 more pages of them telling you that you’re lying, you hate America and you want to suck Putin’s dick.
I haven't done this.

I've shifted almost all of those discussions
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I have definitely said there are overt-Russian supporters posting, and lots of people "totally not supporting Putin, but..." posters posting, but what you posted? Not my style.

I've also clearly stated today that this is all mostly just being anti-American because their party isn't in power, just like how DEMs were anti-America under Trump but are pro-America now. It's just polarized/2-sided political identification.
Sans the crudity, he's more or less correct. Granted, it's probably not helpful that virtually every pro-ukrainian poster in the thread amplifies that portion of your opinions as well.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:14 am to
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NATO, one of the most significant military alliances in the history of the planet? A "threat"? Naw, why in tarnation would he think that?

How often has NATO been used in non-defensive maneuver without UN approval? Serious question.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:25 am to
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NATO, one of the most significant military alliances in the history of the planet? A "threat"? Naw, why in tarnation would he think that?


Well Trump told Putin NATO was obsolete. You don’t think Putin believed Trump?

Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:27 am to
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We don't have to be involved in every fricking war. Trump proved that with a little common sense peace is achievable. US politicians want this war.


Well Trump was preparing Ukraine for war. Remember, he was giving them tanks and artillery, while Obama was giving them pillows and blankets. Even Trump understood that this conflict was different than any conflict we’ve been in before.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:41 am to
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Are y'all happy with having to spend so much of the SPR to keep oil prices at a level that doesn't destroy our economy? The oil costs alone of this war are almost assuredly larger than what we've sent Ukraine. Imagine that in perpetuity.


Are you STILL on the “Putin’s price hike” lie?

You actually swallowed that garbage??

Furthermore.. you actually believe the draw from the SPR is having a major dent in the price of crude?? So much that the US economy would be destroyed without it?

Good gosh. Run soak up some more programming like a good little drone. Have you seen what percentage of global output per day is vs the SPR release??
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:53 am to
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How often has NATO been used in non-defensive maneuver without UN approval? Serious question.

About as many times as Japan had attacked the US prior to Dec 7th 1941.

But ... once again ... it is not about the hiker's intent to threaten the snake. It is about the snake's perception of the hiker as a threat.
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 8:54 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 8:59 am to
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So much that the US economy would be destroyed without it?

Holy straw man

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you actually believe the draw from the SPR is having a major dent in the price of crude

It is having some effects. Major? Not sure.

Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:01 am to
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About as many times as Japan had attacked the US prior to Dec 7th 1941.

But the Japanese did attack China and Russia in the early twenty century prior to attacking the US so Japan is not a good analogy.
They had already proven to be warlike and aggressive way before 1941.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:02 am to
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it is not about the hiker's intent to threaten the snake. It is about the snake's perception of the hiker as a threat.

We don't need NATO to attack Russia though. We don't need to control Ukraine, either.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:06 am to
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They had already proven to be warlike and aggressive way before 1941.
So has NATO. The question SFP posed had to do with UN approval, not "warlike" status.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:08 am to
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We don't need to control Ukraine, either.
and yet, here we are .... precisely because we wanted to control Ukraine. What a shame.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:08 am to
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So has NATO

What?

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:08 am to
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and yet, here we are .

Yeah because the "NATO" excuse was bullshite lol
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:09 am to
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Sans the crudity, he's more or less correct.


It's not as if there's any reason to make something up; people can read the thread for themselves. It's another poster who's obsessed with Putin's genitalia and keeps referring to it but they're both saying essentially the same thing.

Again, if you ask someone a question only to ignore what they say because you already think you know not only what they believe but why, it's not a discussion. You're not looking for input. It's some wort of weird intellectual (and I use that word loosely) masturbation.
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