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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?

Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:10 am to
Posted by IceTiger
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:10 am to
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Never thought you would simp for a corrupt government, Ukraine and the United States


Uhhh...he's a lawyer, he, in actuality, simps for criminality
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:10 am to
Do you think Musk should turn off starlink after the Ukraines melted when he suggested peace


What a scam this BS is
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 9:11 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:11 am to
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he, in actuality, simps for criminality

I protect the rights of citizens against an overzealous government, like Trump

ETA: posted from criminal court
This post was edited on 10/4/22 at 9:12 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:12 am to
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Do you think Musk should turn off starlink after the Ukraines melted when he suggested peace

No, but it's his choice pursuant to whatever contracts he's agreed to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:14 am to
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What?
Come on SFP. What fun are toys if you don't use them; e.g., in the Bosnian War, misc Yugoslav Wars, Libyan Civil War, War in Afghanistan, etc.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:14 am to
He should turn it off now

Why wouldnt those Ukrainians including the cross dressing hero not want peace


Its amazing how hard you all fell for this
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:15 am to
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Bosnian War, misc Yugoslav Wars, Libyan Civil War, War in Afghanistan, etc.

The UN was the war like party there, right? They created the resolutions (with Russian approval, explicitly or implicitly) and asked NATO for help, correct?
Posted by David_DJS
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:18 am to
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SlowFlowPro

Does it ever give you pause that you’re supporting the policies and actions of a group of people that have fricked up literally everything they’ve touched this century? After Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and I’d throw Covid on that pile - it should be clear to you by now that, whether by design or good old fashioned retardation, the people driving the Ukraine shitshow leave an impressive path of economic and human destruction in their wake.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:18 am to
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Why wouldnt those Ukrainians including the cross dressing hero not want peace

What's the cost?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:18 am to
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Yeah because the "NATO" excuse was bullshite lol
and yet it led to the Russia-Georgia War, the Crimean Takeover, and this war. When Trump gave no "excuse", there was no war. Interesting how that works.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:27 am to
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What's the cost?


Some land
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:31 am to
And autonomy
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:32 am to
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fore 1941.So has NATO. The question SFP posed had to do with UN approval, not "warlike" status.


No it hasn’t. It had operated with UN approval. Unlike Japan it has never conquered. It had acted as a policeman of sorts and not as a criminal taking what belongs to others.

Japan is a terrible analogy.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:34 am to
Sure

But instead lets send another 50bil

crazy that someone who thinks hes smart can get scammed this hard by the media

But you have severe tds so not surprising
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:35 am to
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the people driving the Ukraine shitshow leave an impressive path of economic and human destruction in their wake.


I don’t think Putin had impacted the world economy that much, but he sure has caused a lot of misery and suffering.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:37 am to
quote:

Yeah because the "NATO" excuse was bullshite lol
quote:

NATO is the obstacle to improving Russian-Western relations
By Ruslan Pukhov
Mar 28, 2019


One of the distinctive features of the modern Western political narrative with regard to NATO is an almost total misunderstanding of how the alliance is perceived in Russia. First and foremost, the Western political establishment seems blithely unaware of the fact that the issue of NATO is the main stumbling block in Russian-Western relations, and that any detente is impossible while that obstacle remains unresolved.

In Russia, NATO is generally viewed as part of the American war machine and an instrument of U.S. global dominance. That view is shared by almost the entire Russian political spectrum. In fact, the same view also prevails among NATO members from eastern Europe, where the alliance is seen as an instrument of U.S. influence and U.S. defense assurances.

LINK
Posted by David_DJS
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 9:54 am to
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I don’t think Putin had impacted the world economy that much, but he sure has caused a lot of misery and suffering.

His is exceeded only by our own. Your non-response is instructive.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:00 am to
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quote:I don’t think Putin had impacted the world economy that much, but he sure has caused a lot of misery and suffering. His is exceeded only by our own. Your non-response is instructive.


No I’m correcting the assertion that the US started the war. Putin started the war.

And I would certainly agree that our Covid policies and Biden’s policies have done way more damage to the world economy than Putin has.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:07 am to
Putin didn’t start the war. It’s arguable that Russia did though. But wars start for a reason. Understanding that enables avoiding war. This war was totally avoidable.
Posted by doubleb
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Posted on 10/4/22 at 10:11 am to
Putin as the leader of Russia started the war.

You can gin up all the reasons as to why he did it, but he did it.
The war is Putin’s war. No one forced him to take the drastic actions that he did.
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