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re: How many of you will be upset if/when Ukraine thwarts Russia?

Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:51 pm to
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44306 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:51 pm to
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Germany, Luxenberg, Belgium, Austria, Holland and...Denmark?


Benelux is Western Europe.

I would say that I consider Denmark to be Scandinavian.

Austria...Central Europe.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:52 pm to
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I just appreciate seeing some semblance of an anti-war left. It's basically her, Michael Tracey, Aaron Mate, Jimmy Dore, and to a lesser extent, Greenwald and Taibbi

Most of those names are much better to rely on than her.

Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29241 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:52 pm to
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Never thought you would simp for a corrupt government, Ukraine and the United States.



Because KGB Putin is so pure…
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:52 pm to
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You moron, the warmongery is from the Russians and them alone.


What do you think both sides were saying during World War I?

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Okay, so when this doesn't happen, you aren't responsible for all the nonsense you've posted?


Europe is already flipping out. This isn’t an if because it’s happening in real time, winter is just going to make it much worse. It’s why Ukraine has been fighting very well and valiantly because they know what I’m saying is true. They have mere weeks to expel Russia from their country or they’re fricked. They know what I’m saying is the truth, and pretty much everything has to go perfectly for this extremely likely scenario to not happen.
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 5:54 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:52 pm to
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Benelux is Western Europe.

no way. Benelux and Germany is the heart of Central Europe
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63786 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:52 pm to
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None of them will answer my simple question in OP.


None of us will be upset. All of us in the international community are coming together with you to support Ukraine.

Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44306 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:53 pm to
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Germany, Luxenberg, Belgium, Austria, Holland and...Denmark?


Unless reading compression is an issue for you...


Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:53 pm to
I mentioned a geopolitical flashpoint historically, and your argument suggested that it wasn't an example of how geopolitical flashpoints have been smoothed away because though it changed changed variously, it is not Central Europe because it is currently under a polity that is considered Western Europe? That is a weird argument to make, because then what would you consider Livonia, which occupies a similar position at the frontier between Central and Eastern Europe? That is another geopolitical flashpoint (with respect to its western and southern borders) that entirely disappeared due to integration. And I have several more I could list, all around Europe.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139019 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:53 pm to
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they're not nearly as dirty as the "totally not supporting Russia" sect wants to make it
But you've had ample times to make that case, and you've yet to do it
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Member since Sep 2013
35576 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:54 pm to
frick Ukraine and their corrupt government. And especially their little green t shirt doofus.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:54 pm to
Yeah that post was moranic. Compression. Lol





See what happens here.
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 5:55 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
44306 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:55 pm to
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Benelux


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Central Europe


Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:55 pm to
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What do you think both sides were saying during World War I?



You dumb shite. Who invaded? There is a singular answer here.
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Europe is already flipping out. This an if because it’s happening in real time, winter is just going to make it much worse. It’s why Ukraine has been fighting very well and valiantly because they know what I’m saying is true. They have mere weeks to expel Russia from their country or they’re fricked. They know what I’m saying is the truth, and pretty much everything has to go perfectly for this extremely likely scenario to not happen.



Okay, so when your prognostications don't work out, then what? I'm not asking for a defense shite head, I'm asking you for the same thing you are asking of me in the hopes (however vague) that you can understand how retarded that line of reasoning is.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:55 pm to
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They have mere weeks to expel Russia from their country or they’re fricked.

No they're not

Also, Russia has to hold that land in winter, too.

Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9956 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:56 pm to
Who would have the bigger black eye?

Ukraine? Who has been given over 2 years worth of the equivalent Russia Military spending in less than a year?

Or Russia by fighting against most of Europe and USA alone?
This post was edited on 10/2/22 at 5:57 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:57 pm to
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Or Russia by fighting against most of Europe and USA alone?



Definitely Russia. They failed on their Northern and Northeastern offensives all on their own.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:57 pm to
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Okay, so when your prognostications don't work out, then what? I'm not asking for a defense shite head, I'm asking you for the same thing you are asking of me in the hopes (however vague) that you can understand how retarded that line of reasoning is.


A simple “I was wrong” will be my defense. But when that cold front comes, going to be really crazy bad. It’s why Ukraine was so effective in September because they know this as well.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:58 pm to
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No they're not

Also, Russia has to hold that land in winter, too.


Yeah, and they have the fuel and the grain. Europe does not.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477219 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:58 pm to
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But you've had ample times to make that case, and you've yet to do it

What? That the US isn't as dirty as Russia? In this conflict?

Step one: we didn't invade a sovereign nation

Step two: we didn't invade a nation posing no threat to us

Yeah we influenced the 2014 election, but that was to expel a guy Russia influenced to take over in 2010. Both are somewhat irrelevant to 2022 because neither puppet was in charge. Russia was still involved before we were and also responded (Crimea annexation).

Our hands are dirty because a little poop got on them when we were using a baggy to pick up after our dog.

Russia's hands were just sifting through rotting corpses in a landfill.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 10/2/22 at 5:58 pm to
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Yeah, and they have the fuel and the grain. Europe does not.



They do not have the logistics at the moment to even use that fuel or grain man.
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