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re: How many of you are prepared if there were a power grid attack on the U.S.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 6:24 am to Ponchy Tiger
Posted on 2/14/18 at 6:24 am to Ponchy Tiger
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The power grid is much more fragile than you can imagine. All it would take is for the grid to go down for a few days and people would killing each other in the major cities.
It really is, most people just have little clue.
Not only that but let's say it's something as innocent as a bad solar flare ... we do not have the transformers in this country to handle something of that magnitude.
If we ever see the Northern Lights down here in SEC country, look the frick out. Batten down the hatches and load-up the wagon and head for the hills.
You're right. No power for 72 hrs means gas runs out. Super markets frozen foods and shelved foods are gone. Hospital back up generators are running out of fuel and beginning to break down as are many home natural gas and propane gennies. People are now running out of fresh water and panic is about to set in as people have not been sleeping while fending off the bad elements, looters, etc.
So many people are not prepared.
Within one week deaths are way up ... everything from lack of medical care to heat related in the summer to cold related in the winter. Life support systems shut down. Medicines running out. Violence errupting 24/7 in the cities.
Two weeks in and it's gotten really bad. Long ago overwhelming local law enforcement and the military.
One Second After is a good book but it doesn't really deal with the harsh reality of what it would be like in the big cities like Atlanta, BHam, Miami, Memphis, even Charlotte, etc. Asheville is one thing ... NYC and Washington, DC are something else completely.
It would be chaos and it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.
I just do not get why more people refuse to prep when they have the ways and the means to at least do a little.
A couple of five gallon buckets full ... add a little of this and a little of that.
Water purification, stack a few extra cases, own a filter, stash some tablets or iodine or sodium chloride. Know when to fill your tub up and how to keep it from leaking.
Most people who have seen the movie "The Road" (it is explained in the book) ... they never even pay attention to, or understand, the very first thing the main character does when he looks out the window that night ... and why he and his son are some of the last ones living in the end.
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Posted on 2/14/18 at 6:51 am to slapahoe
we have been prepared for over a decade....food stored, clean water supply and weapons and ammo to protect us
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:40 am to slapahoe
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If the internet and the power grid were taken out how long before cities start going crazy? I
There is a book called One Second After that describes the chaos of 2 nuclear pulses in space above the U.S. No one sees it or hears it. The nuclear pulses permanently knock out most electronics. Vehicles, planes, phones, etc... anything that relies on computer circuits to run. Cars and trucks die and just roll to a stop on the roads Planes in the air die immediately and come crashing down. No information available because most radios and stations, etc.. get entirely knocked out and don't have parts to fix them. No power because the U.S. grid is controlled by computers. No power means no refrigeration so mass food shortages and a lot of drugs require refrigeration so anyone on these types of medications are the first to go.
Basically describes Armageddon and the larger the city, the worse it is. I believe Newt Gingrich wrote the foreword for the book. If you recall Newt advocated a congressional effort to "harden" our grid and network from this kind of attack because it is a serious national security threat. Trump talked about it during his campaign.
All they need are 2 nuclear weapons to wipe the U.S. systems out for over a year. This is why N Korea has our attention. They can't take us on in a war but they only need a couple to cause tens of millions to die in the U.S. Scary shite.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 7:43 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 7:50 am to bamarep
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25K gen set baw I'm good.
How will you pump gas for your generator?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:53 am to Meauxjeaux
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IMO, the number one thin ng you need as a prepper is: will you directly kill another man. Number two: will you kill his wife and kids. Think long and hard about that. Because if you’re not there yet, Regardless of how prepped you are, you’re in trouble.
For the Survivalists in remote areas, there is little chance that "women and kids" would be part of the kind of group that would see the smoke and go to it. Natural Selection would have long before weeded out the weak after about 6 months. Any survivor groups who were not able to stay in place, but had to move and forage/plunder...would shrink exponentially. For various reasons.
It all comes down to smart. Just how smart are the leaders in those roaming bands of desperate heathen; lost souls of the kind portrayed in another calamity Book, "The Road". If their leaders were smart enough to surmise that the supplies required for life were not in the Cities, but in the hands of prepared survivalists in remote areas, then they would assemble well-armed groups and strategically attack those areas (smoke and noise detected). God forbid there were former Military sniper types in that group.
Bottom line. Survival/Prepper Communities must factor in a strategy that requires full time lookouts on the perimeters of their community. And even with that - given very limited access routes in - the ability of an in-place Group to defend all access routes in...would be highly problematic. That's why they built castles/fortresses back when; in place is potentially a sitting duck.
One thing is for sure...the kind of people that envision and act on this potential scenario...is the kind that makes for a good community in any civilized society. Hats off. My kind of people.
And IMO, don't forget the Good Lord, Faith and Mercy in the plan. There are likely things in play here that go way beyond mere bodily survival.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 8:59 am to RCDfan1950
PS...shame on us if we don't pressure out Politicians to prepare and prevent calamities which are in our ability to mitigate. 
I hope that's what Trump is doing.
I hope that's what Trump is doing. 
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:06 am to RCDfan1950
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Well, "prepared" covers a lot of territory. Read the Book "One Second After" if you want to imagine just what a prolonged Grid outage would look like...and if you can afford little sleep for the next couple of weeks
Then read Lights Out by David Crawford, it's even better buy a longer read.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:13 am to slapahoe
BUG OUT BAG. Does no one on this board even watch Homeland?
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:13 am to slapahoe
I actually keep it on hand for earthquakes/volcanos but for my family of four I have a month of MRE's, a month of drinking water, and a couple firearms. I have random other crap like a camp stove and a hand crank radio. Anything beyond that and I guess I'll lay down and die.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:21 am to AUstar
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Russia and China don't want none of that.
the world economy would be trashed. They definitely don't want that.
As far as me, we're as okay as can be without being prepper-ish, plentiful farmland in the country, etc. I would feel bad for city people in that scenario. Cities would be absolute chaos pretty quickly.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:39 am to slapahoe
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I would imagine majority of americans dont keep a good bit of cash
What fricking good is cash if the grid is down? What you need are quality, working firearms and an ample stock of ammunition. "Cash" won't be able to trade for that if the grid goes down.
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food.
Meh - 10 or 15 days of food should be good to start - most Americans can scrape that up with what's in the fridge, freezer and pantry - or at least stretch it.
Bigger problem is water - you can go 3 weeks without food (and if you have "any" you can stretch it quite far in a crisis - what most Americans eat in a week can be stretched to a month or perhaps 2), you got 3 days before you need drinking water - and you need ~1 gallon per person, per day, but you can stretch that as well - basically 3 times under survival situation - but that still means you have to have or acquire roughly 5 gallons of drinking water for 2 people, every 2 to 3 days - and eventually, you'll have to up that.
The vast, vast majority of Americans have no idea what is required to survive a 30-, 60-, 90-day crisis if they have no option to evacuate out of it.
This post was edited on 2/14/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:39 am to slapahoe
Ready here bub!
Posted on 2/14/18 at 9:45 am to Ace Midnight
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Meh - 10 or 15 days of food should be good to start - most Americans can scrape that up with what's in the fridge, freezer and pantry - or at least stretch it.
Bigger problem is water - you can go 3 weeks without food (and if you have "any" you can stretch it quite far in a crisis - what most Americans eat in a week can be stretched to a month or perhaps 2), you got 3 days before you need drinking water - and you need ~1 gallon per person, per day, but you can stretch that as well - basically 3 times under survival situation - but that still means you have to have or acquire roughly 5 gallons of drinking water for 2 people, every 2 to 3 days - and eventually, you'll have to up that.
Well, now I feel better. I followed the one gallon per day per person rule and have enough for 28 days. They sell 7 gallon jugs on Amazon, 2 for $15.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:07 am to dbuchanon
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I have nothing against preppers, I just believe they're underestimating the desperation of the have-nots in these scenarios.
And a lot of those desperate people have no clue how to survive outdoors or use firearms. After 30 days most people in large cities will either be dead or will have walked out. Most grocery stores only have a week or so worth of food, food that will be looted and stolen. Then after that is gone those people will start looking for places with more.
And those people may underestimate my ability to defend my property.
If someone is going to start preparing for a calamity I would recommend buying some canned foods that they already like to eat, a couple cases of water each week until they have 20 cases or so and then start rotating them out. I would recommend they buy a few lifestraws. Keep matches or lighters to light a fire. Candles. Warm clothes. Hopefully if something happens it will not be long term and they can make do with that.
I am not like that. I consider the things I have saved/bought/stored to be insurance. I grow a large garden each year. Last year I canned over 650 quarts of vegetables. I am not a nutcase who wears a tin foil hat but I do take the time to make sure I have what I need to keep my family alive. I live about 25 miles for a small town and about 60 miles from a larger city. I have stores of supplies buried all over my 2600 acres. It has 2 overflowing wells, one of which has never run dry. I have an abundance of wildlife and I am covered up with feral hogs. Food will not be my issue, however I have probably enough long term storage to support my 12 member extended family for about 18 months.
The best way I have found to bury supplies is to buy a fiberglass underground tornado shelter and fill it with your preps. The ones I have are designed to go inside an existing house (on a slab) and have a weatherproof lid. I simply buried them and covered the lids with 3-4" of dirt and let the grass grow over them. I have a system of knowing where they are so I wont have trouble finding them. You would be amazed at how much stuff can be loaded into one of them.
Similar to this.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:16 am to RCDfan1950
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For the Survivalists in remote areas, there is little chance that "women and kids" would be part of the kind of group that would see the smoke and go to it.
What I meant was that if you kill the man, you have effectively killed his wife and kids. They aren’t surviving the first year of SHTF without him.
Now if they get past the first year, where things might be more in sustaining mode than survival mode, and they can hook up with a group, they’ll be OK.
But while the masses are still scrambling to get to sustaining mode, they will have no chance without a man.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:22 am to slapahoe
Puerto Rico had total power knocked out by Hurricane Maria in September. Two months later, still 40% without power. There are still towns without power in PR.
As you might imagine, PR was not exactly the most orderly place on earth pre-storm.
No chaos. No roving gangs raping or murdering. More than anything, just a bunch of people trying to help eat other out.
I don’t buy into the total chaos theories anymore. In cities like NOLA, Detroit, Memphis...maybe we see a lot of crime.
Otherwise, there would be people helping people.
As you might imagine, PR was not exactly the most orderly place on earth pre-storm.
No chaos. No roving gangs raping or murdering. More than anything, just a bunch of people trying to help eat other out.
I don’t buy into the total chaos theories anymore. In cities like NOLA, Detroit, Memphis...maybe we see a lot of crime.
Otherwise, there would be people helping people.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:22 am to slapahoe
Knocking out power in large areas would be the downfall for Americans.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 11:24 am to alphaandomega
Holy shite dude
Posted on 2/14/18 at 3:26 pm to DeltaDoc
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Puerto Rico had total power knocked out by Hurricane Maria in September. Two months later, still 40% without power. There are still towns without power in PR.
Way to completely miss the scenario posted here.
Posted on 2/14/18 at 3:49 pm to Ace Midnight
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What fricking good is cash if the grid is down?
Exactly. And when the looting starts, it won't matter anyway.
In a true catastrophe situation, you are better off reverting to bartering. Keep a few liquor bottles, canisters of coffee, and cigs on hand. That would be the currency of the PAW.
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