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re: How is Panama messing with US shipping?

Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:19 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298322 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:19 am to
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THat negotiating strategy is really not very complicated.


I dont see lying to the American public as a negotiating strategy myself...


Is Trump ignorant or lying?
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
19453 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:19 am to
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The Donald said we will take the canal back because they are mistreating USA shipping. What are they doing?


The slightest bit of research could have answered this for you
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138579 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:21 am to
Not a good look, Rog
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298322 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:22 am to
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Not a good look, Rog


Does China own/run the Canal?

Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86152 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:22 am to
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You know the truth here, but will stick to the "approved" narrative.


While my answer provided here multiple times RE Panama is LITERALLY NOT the Trump narrative. You aren’t even trying. So weird, Roger to just ignore what I say and then argue against a point I didn’t make. Is this Roger? Did Jeb Bush commandeer your computer?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298322 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:25 am to
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While my answer provided here multiple times RE Panama is LITERALLY NOT the Trump narrative.


Is this true?
quote:


“China is operating the Panama Canal, and we didn’t give it to China,”
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37429 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:28 am to
All I'm seeing is that Trump thinks US ships are being charged unfair rates. He does not give details, merely assertions. You run with it despite that it really is not true
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97755 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:29 am to
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You run with it despite that it really is not true


quote:

KiwiHead


Welp we 100% know its true now
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298322 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:31 am to
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The neutrality treaty does give the U.S. the right to act if the canal's operation is threatened due to military conflict — but not to reassert control.


This is why King Orange is falsely telling his rubes that the Chinese control it.


Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86152 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:33 am to
Can you not read?

quote:

My personal belief is that it’s a negotiation technique. He wants them to absolutely shut down the Darian gap, lower shipping fees to the U.S. and get China the frick out. With Trump EVERYTHING is a negotiation technique.



quote:

consider there is a natural choke point in Panama to stop all SA illegal immigration, consider China’s blustery attitude towards us, factor in The Bad Orange Man’s use of NEGOTIATION in all things and report back


Are you at the Sky Screamer stage of TDS? Because respectfully Rog, Imma have to just move on from even engaging if you can’t be an adult.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298322 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:34 am to
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Can you not read?


Of course.
Now tell me why he's lying to you, and worse, why you believe him? Youre refusing to answer.
quote:


Because respectfully Rog, Imma have to just move on from even engaging if you can’t be an adult.


Youre believing fairy tales. I really dont care if you decide to disengage, youre wrong here and dug in worse than SFP.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 8:39 am
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
97755 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:36 am to
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Are you at the Sky Screamer stage of TDS?


It seems hes reached the pinnacle of TDS
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
86152 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:42 am to
I don’t care if you hate Trump Rog, but to pretend you don’t understand how he blusters about the Macro to negotiate the micro is implausible and desperate . He floats something huge and negotiates something smaller. The shot across the bow of leveraging US power and prestige.and then a deal.

He also does this to distract and send his critics on errands while he does something else that they know nothing about. It’s his communication style and it’s wildly effective.

In 6 months when he gets what he wants you’ll pretend it never happened and be on to whatever Trump topic you are panicked by that day. Totally like a Leftist. Stop embarrassing yourself, Rog.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298322 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:43 am to
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He also does this to distract



Hes lying to you rubes, and you idiots believe him.

Why is he lying to the American people? Thats all I want to know. And youre ok with it?

quote:


In 6 months when he gets what he wants



This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 8:46 am
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37429 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:46 am to
Panamanian President already said he was trying to help and would welcome US assistance with the problem. So I'm not seeing the leverage. The guy has been asking for assistance for a while.
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
10854 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:47 am to
We built it and that puss Carter gave it to Panama. Now, we are taking it back.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
138579 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:48 am to
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Does China own/run the Canal?

(1) That has nothing whatsoever to do with the exchange in question.
(2) The question is one of capability or threat to influence or harm, rather than actual harm. So no, China does not own/run the canal.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298322 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:49 am to
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The guy has been asking for assistance for a while


Panama recently spent 5b making the canal fit for Panamax ships. Then, they were hit with a drought. I imagine he could use a lot of cooperation here.

But tMinions think Daddy Don will flex muscle and a prosperity miracle will occur.


Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298322 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:49 am to
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) That has nothing whatsoever to do with the exchange in question.


Thats exactly what Trump said, and you dont want to address it.
Posted by RollTide4547
Member since Dec 2024
4577 posts
Posted on 1/21/25 at 9:27 am to
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Literally made that up on the spot.



Who made it up on the spot?
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