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re: How is Panama messing with US shipping?
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:25 am to NC_Tigah
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:25 am to NC_Tigah
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Did you watch this one, or are you just winging it, and shooting from the hip?
I've read some of the transcript.
Youre more than welcome to fact check his statements via the internet, just like I do.
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Wading into an issue that made headlines when Trump claimed last month that the canal was "foolishly" given to Panama, Rubio described the waterway as a strategic vulnerability due to Chinese influence, as state-linked Chinese companies currently operate ports at both ends.
We own ports on the Canal too, just like the Chinese. It matters none.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 7:27 am
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Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
Roger, you are hyperventilating and drooling down your chin because of the whole TDS/ Inauguration trauma. Just listen to Rubio, consider there is a natural choke point in Panama to stop all SA illegal immigration, consider China’s blustery attitude towards us, factor in The Bad Orange Man’s use of NEGOTIATION in all things and report back. At this point, sadly, you are impossible to speak to about ANY issue, so clouded by loathing are you.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:36 am to Lsupimp
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Roger, you are hyperventilating and drooling down your chin because of the whole TDS/ Inauguration trauma
We're talking about Panama, not the inauguration.
Deflection doesnt look good on you. Neither does jumping on issues just because Trump had a brain fart.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 7:37 am
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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"Mexico will build the wall" moment.
Lets see. He actually said Mexico will pay for the wall. I read that in 2022 providing for illegals cost the US tax payer 143 billion dollars. Assuming thats true, not building that 8 Billion dollar wall cost the American taxpayer 4 to 5 hundred billion (60+ times the cost of the wall) during bidens term. Had we built the wall, those people would have been on the south side of that wall. Someone else would have taken care of them (likely Mexico). Meaning we would not have spent 4 to 500 billion and only spent 8 billion for the wall. Sounds like a tremendous investment to me. We could have used the money we didn't spend on illegals to pay for the wall and had 400 Billion left over. Mexico would have paid for the wall by taking care of the illegals we wouldn't have had to take care of.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:42 am to HagaDaga
US and Taiwan have the same facilities literally next door and across from the Chinese facilities. Our warships transit the canal regularly, their's do not.
Learn something instead of watching Bill or whomever on X cherry pick bullshite
Learn something instead of watching Bill or whomever on X cherry pick bullshite
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:43 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Our govt taking it over to produce lower fees for merchants is socializing costs.
I can see your line of thought. Mine is that they socialized the costs when they built it and when they gave it to Panama.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:43 am to RollTide4547
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He actually said Mexico will pay for the wall.
Literally made that up on the spot.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Detail that claim.
We own ports on the Canal too, just like the Chinese.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:46 am to Penrod
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Mine is that they socialized the costs when they built it and when they gave it to Panama.
We handed over a canal located in Panama to the Panamanians. I dont see that as socialization.
The actual building of the canal and operation for decades could be called socialization. I agree there.
But taking it over and running it again just to help merchants is literally socializing cost.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Tariffs and trade shifts were the mechanism
Literally made that up on the spot.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
You are in the obstinate, I am the last good man in America stage of your moral vanity. Look to your left, it’s SFP. Insufferable moral vanity and everything the The Bad Orange Manis a hill to die on. Four years of this might kill you, Rog. Slow down.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 7:58 am to toratiger
China doesn't need to know what the US is transporting ... period.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 7:59 am
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:05 am to NC_Tigah
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Literally made that up on the spot.
Tariffs and trade shifts were the mechanism
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:07 am to Lsupimp
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You are in the obstinate, I am the last good man in America stage of your moral vanity
this sounds more like your insecurity, than anything.
You know as well as I do that China doesn't run the Panama Canal, and doesnt control fares.
But to admit wrong is too painful for you, obviously.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
You are being dishonest. I already explained TWICE in this thread what this is about, with Chinese control being third of the three major issues but the best negotiating ploy, and you totally ignore that. Do better, Roger.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:15 am to Lsupimp
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You are being dishonest
Absolutely not. Everything Ive said her is fact.
You know the truth here, but will stick to the "approved" narrative.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:15 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We handed over a canal located in Panama to the Panamanians. I dont see that as socialization.
The American taxpayers paid for it and then the benefits of those taxes were handed to the poorer people of Panama. That’s what socialism is about - redistributing wealth from the wealthy to the poor.
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But taking it over and running it again just to help merchants is literally socializing cost.
I see your point, but I view as redistributing the confiscated wealth back to the original owners. Anyway, I don’t think the point of all of this is to take it over; it’s to force less predatory pricing through the threat of taking it over.
Also, I want to point out that the beneficiaries of lower transit costs are not really merchants, it’s Americans in general. We are all paying higher prices for goods due to these fees.
Interestingly, the current setup favors domestic manufacturers whose goods are not subject to these shipping fees if they are sold in America. And lets face it, most of the goods coming through the Canal are manufactured in Asia. So the current setup militates towards Trump’s stated goals of helping American manufacturers. It’s just that the fees are going to another government.
I wonder how much of this is being driven by LNG producers in the GOM who want to ship to Asia.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 8:17 am
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:16 am to Lsupimp
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but the best negotiating ploy,
Here we go with the 4D chess stupidity.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:17 am to Lsupimp
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Roger, you are hyperventilating and drooling down your chin because of the whole TDS/ Inauguration trauma. Just listen to Rubio, consider there is a natural choke point in Panama to stop all SA illegal immigration, consider China’s blustery attitude towards us, factor in The Bad Orange Man’s use of NEGOTIATION in all things and report back. At this point, sadly, you are impossible to speak to about ANY issue, so clouded by loathing are you.
This is perfection (as always) when describing Roger
Posted on 1/21/25 at 8:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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but the best negotiating ploy,
Here we go with the 4D chess stupidity.
THat negotiating strategy is really not very complicated.
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