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How Hamas was Forced to Accept a Deal it Didn't Want

Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:19 am
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:19 am
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SHARM EL SHEIKH—When Hamas leader Khalil Al-Hayya first saw President Trump’s plan for peace in Gaza, which demanded that his group disarm with few concrete steps to ensure Israel would end the war, his immediate reaction was no.

The plan, heavily amended by Israel and presented to Hamas by the Qatari prime minister and Egypt’s spy chief, looked nothing like what Hayya had been led to expect, officials familiar with the discussions said. Hayya, who less than a month earlier had been a target of Israel’s audacious attack on Hamas in Qatar, told his visitors the group would keep its Israeli hostages until it had enforceable guarantees the war would end.

But two days later, Hamas came back to Arab mediators with a yes. The deal hadn’t changed. The pressure on Hamas had.

Egypt and Qatar told Hayya the deal was his last chance to end the war, according to the officials. They pressed Hamas to understand that holding the hostages was becoming a strategic liability, giving Israel a source of legitimacy to keep fighting.

The next day, joined by Turkey, they warned him that if Hamas didn’t approve the plan it would be stripped of all political and diplomatic cover; Qatar and Turkey would no longer host the group’s political leadership, and Egypt would stop pressing for Hamas to have a say in Gaza’s postwar governance, the officials said.

It was enough to get Hamas to agree to release all its hostages in Gaza and sign on to the first part of Trump’s peace deal, giving up what had been its most important bargaining chip to keep a seat at the table. While modifying its acceptance with heavy caveats that reflected its concerns about the deal, Hamas had given Trump an opportunity to declare victory and set the stage for a hostage release early this week.


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Qatar and Egypt didn’t reply to requests for comment. Asked about being pressured into a deal, Khaled Al-Qaddoumi, Hamas’s representative in Tehran, said the group had endorsed Trump’s proposal because it guaranteed Palestinians wouldn’t be forced out of Gaza and paved the way for humanitarian aid and reconstruction. Qaddoumi said the group is now counting on Trump to ensure Israel doesn’t go back to fighting.

The campaign that forced Hamas to accept a deal it didn’t want was the result of weeks of effort by the Trump team to bring Middle East powers including Egypt, Qatar and Turkey together in a coordinated push to get Hamas to agree to sign up.

Critics have long wanted Arab mediators to do more to pressure Hamas into ending the war. But this time, conditions were ripe.

“I think everybody just wanted to be done with this,” said Michael Ratney, a former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia and top diplomat in Israel.

Better relations with Turkey and the Gulf gave Trump leverage among countries with ties to Hamas. Meanwhile, the Gulf states had become alarmed that the war could endanger their own security after the Israeli airstrike against Hamas in Qatar.

Hamas also was under growing pressure at home—short on funds, barely able to keep up a guerrilla war against Israeli forces that have seized much of Gaza, and facing a Palestinian public that has suffered hunger and ruin and just wanted the war to be over.

Once Trump got Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to publicly agree to end the war, Hamas was cornered as the lone holdout.


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Though many aspects of the current deal have been on the table for the past year or more, the balance of power in the Middle East has shifted significantly, creating the conditions for a breakthrough.

Military and intelligence campaigns against Lebanon and Iran left the Arab world increasingly wary of Israel’s growing power and willingness to use it. The strike on Qatar, a U.S. ally that also hosts a major American military base, underscored the risk that the war could pierce the Gulf’s security bubble and destabilize even the wealthiest and most influential countries in the region, sharpening Arab nations’ opposition to the war.

Trump also began courting Turkey. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had been sidelined by President Joe Biden after years of diplomatic tension with Washington. Trump, who has a warmer relationship with Erdogan, afforded the Turkish leader his first White House meeting in more than half a decade in September. Erdogan also sat at the head of the table at a meeting of leaders from Muslim-majority countries at the United Nations where they discussed ways to resolve the war in Gaza.


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In reality, though, Hayya and Hamas were running out of time as regional powers closed ranks. Before the meetings wrapped up on the first day, the mediators delivered a warning to Hamas: Put your faith in Trump’s plan or face endless war. You have five days to decide.

Before that deadline, with debates over key issues including the exact line of withdrawal for Israeli forces in Gaza and the list of Palestinian prisoners to be released still unresolved, Hamas formally agreed to the hostage release.


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Posted by MajorityWhip
Member since Oct 2020
1167 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:27 am to
Biden and his boys are trying to take credit, yet they didn’t even have the relationship with Turkey to get a deal done. fricking nitwits!

Trump is a bad arse mother fricker!!
Posted by MadQfrog
Rural VA
Member since May 2021
871 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:30 am to
Placating to Mudshits is never a good idea. Arabs are our enemy. Trump should have let Israel handle it and not get involved.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
49517 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:30 am to
And the answer was so simple that it is no wonder than nobody ever even attempted it.
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
19963 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:42 am to
I think this is a diplomatic way of saying the Arab countries and Turkey said "In 5 days we cut your arse loose and let Mossad deal with you your family and your pets".

Well since you put it that way, where do you want the hostages?
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29184 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 7:45 am to
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Trump should have let Israel handle it and not get involved.


Maybe. In the long term, that possibly could have been better, though we'd probably head more dead hostages by now in the short term.

Also...by not getting involved and letting Israel handle could have meant more ME countries getting involved, more than just diplomatically. Such a storm in the ME could have potentially sent oil back up to 80-90/bbl, thus bringing the current $3.0-something U.S. gasoline average back up to $3.50+. For the sake of mid-terms, and President Trump's own stated campaign agenda, that probably would have turned into a negative potentially, though it wouldn't have been his fault.
This post was edited on 10/13/25 at 7:47 am
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15059 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:07 am to
That strike Israel did on Hamas leadership in Qatar, while denounced by us, did a lot to get those Arab countries on board. They are making lots of money. The last thing they want is to be drug into something that disrupts business.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:13 am to
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Biden and his boys are trying to take credit,


Like ants on melted chocolate, I could have told you that was coming.
Posted by BR Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2004
4697 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:14 am to
This article does a great job of explaining why these things are so difficult on the ME without that even being the main stated focus of the article. Pick any 5 or 10 of us on this board (or any group of people) and we could put together the framework for a deal like this. That’s the easy part. It’s easy to figure out who concedes what and how much they can concede without losing face to their constituents. The hard part is having the relationships with the right people in neighboring and “friendly” nations to bring pressure to the main players and make them see that agreeing to terms is their best way forward.

That’s why the previous administration can legitimately say they had the framework for this deal basically done last year. OK- so what? That’s the easy part. What they didn’t have was the respect and gravitas to bring other nations along in the plan. That’s where Trump is at his best.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
29184 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:18 am to
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That’s why the previous administration can legitimately say they had the framework for this deal basically done last year. OK- so what? That’s the easy part. What they didn’t have was the respect and gravitas to bring other nations along in the plan.


Completely agree.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
23279 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:26 am to
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Egypt and Qatar told Hayya the deal was his last chance to end the war, according to the officials. They pressed Hamas to understand that holding the hostages was becoming a strategic liability, giving Israel a source of legitimacy to keep fighting.

Roughly translates to "sign this or we will let Mossad wipe you and your families out within 24 hours".
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
96894 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:44 am to
That was a great read. Looks like Qatar was getting tired of Hamas' bs.
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
16062 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 8:59 am to
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Looks like Qatar was getting tired of Hamas' bs.


Everyone was. Al the Arab countries governments hate the Palestinians. They can't say it, but you know they do.

None of the middle eaten countries want any of them in their countries.

But there is one aspect of this deal that no one seemingly mentioned. Maybe in the article they did.

When Israel just destroyed Iran and then the united states with 3 bombers destroyed their impenetrable underground laboratory, it not only stopped iran from rattling their Sabres and got them to shut the frick up, but also kinda showed other countries what could be done.

With iran out of the picture the remaining countries got together and forced hamas to take what they wanted to take.

Trump handled everything flawlessly in the middle east.
Posted by slidingstop
Member since Jan 2025
2288 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:00 am to
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Also...by not getting involved and letting Israel handle could have meant more ME countries getting involved, more than just diplomatically. Such a storm in the ME could have potentially sent oil back up to 80-90/bbl, thus bringing the current $3.0-something U.S. gasoline average back up to $3.50+. For the sake of mid-terms, and President Trump's own stated campaign agenda, that probably would have turned into a negative potentially, though it wouldn't have been his fault.



Not to mention that regardless of how much sense it makes to stay out of the fray, The US will ALWAYS be drawn into foreign conflicts. Our position as THE world leader will never allow us the luxury of not getting involved. When you're the preeminent world's superpower, you get that cross to carry. I'd love to sit some of these out, and let the combatants settle it themselves, but its beneficial for your own self-preservation to be able to intervene and mediate. The great thing about this peace deal (tentative tho it may be) is that we didn't waste any American lives negotiating it.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6653 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:05 am to
There is no deal that Hamas would ever want.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103934 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:10 am to
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There is no deal that Hamas would ever want.


Something along the lines of the Munich Agreement where they would get part of Israel may have appealed to them if they thought it would lead to destroying Israel.


But, yeah, no realistic deal would have been anything they would have wanted.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29223 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:18 am to
I have wondered if the Qatari air base in the US wasn't somehow a quid pro quo in the big picture.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
Murfreesboro
Member since Dec 2008
29223 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 9:20 am to
quote:

Everyone was. Al the Arab countries governments hate the Palestinians. They can't say it, but you know they do.



Palestinian guy I knew 35 years ago once told me, and I quote, "Palestinians are the n*****s of the Middle East."
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
Member since Aug 2020
21887 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 11:54 am to
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
4152 posts
Posted on 10/13/25 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

This article does a great job of explaining why these things are so difficult on the ME without that even being the main stated focus of the article. Pick any 5 or 10 of us on this board (or any group of people) and we could put together the framework for a deal like this. That’s the easy part. It’s easy to figure out who concedes what and how much they can concede without losing face to their constituents. The hard part is having the relationships with the right people in neighboring and “friendly” nations to bring pressure to the main players and make them see that agreeing to terms is their best way forward.

That’s why the previous administration can legitimately say they had the framework for this deal basically done last year. OK- so what? That’s the easy part. What they didn’t have was the respect and gravitas to bring other nations along in the plan. That’s where Trump is at his best.

Perfectly put
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