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re: How can the average person afford to live?

Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:33 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:33 am to
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Why do you think it’s a bad thing that a $200k house in 2019 is $300k a few years later?
It's a drag for anyone who opted to rent a place so they could buy fancy coffee, eat at fancy restaurants, and jet around in a fancy ride.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:36 am to
My kid asked me the other day,

Pops, when did you stop living pay check to pay check?

My retort,

Lil red, I'm still working at 60.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:38 am to
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It's a drag for anyone who opted to rent a place so they could buy fancy coffee


The self-parody is off the charts in this thread.
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:42 am to
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Im asking why it would be a bad thing for you to profit 100k


Because we need a place to live and everything in our price range in 2019 would be out of our price range in 2023. That 100k wouldn’t last long after a down payment and then financing the rest at 7%. Our mortgage payment would double. So that would be a really stupid thing to do.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:43 am to
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Some of y’all are lucky to be born when you were because you could never make it today.
You'd rue the day you had to compete with most of the folks you're bad-mouthing here. They'd eat your lunch and have you paying them for the privilege.

Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:46 am to
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The self-parody is off the charts in this thread.
Indeed.
What were you doing when you were 20?
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:49 am to
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quote:

Im asking why it would be a bad thing for you to profit 100k
Because we need a place to live and everything in our price range in 2019 would be out of our price range in 2023. That 100k wouldn’t last long after a down payment and then financing the rest at 7%.
Perhaps you misunderstood the question.
Posted by SDVTiger
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:50 am to
300k is out of your price range?

How poor are you

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Perhaps you misunderstood the question.


Not surprising stonehog is a libtard
This post was edited on 9/3/23 at 8:51 am
Posted by Stonehog
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:56 am to
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300k is out of your price range?

How poor are you


This is how you know you’ve lost the argument.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:56 am to
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Not surprising stonehog is a libtard
IDK if he's lib or con. I do know he has a hell of a lot to learn about money management.
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 8:57 am to
Just because these are average expenses, it doesn’t mean it’s what you should be paying.
For example, your average car payment is $733 a month. However, you can buy a new car at 25k financed it for 60 months and have a note less than $400 a month.
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:06 am to
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But y’all keep pretending that this is normal and you had it harder.


I’m not a boomer and haven’t said a single thing about how hard I’ve had it, mensa. I’m correctly pointing out that your simple graph doesn’t tell the entire story. If you’re incapable of nuance I’ll help you out; that doesn’t mean I’m saying there’s nothing to it at all.
Posted by geoag58
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:08 am to
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Found the boomer. How much was a house then you old piece of shite?


Boomer here. Bought first house for $87,000.00 in 1987 and it was an f-ing stretch. Real estate in my lifetime has ALWAYS been a stretch. And the only time it has been affordable is when finding jobs was a stretch.

Work your arse off and spend less than you earn and you will do fine in the long term. If you don't want to do that then you better count on being lucky!
Posted by Klondikekajun
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:46 am to
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Boomers have a really hard time understanding they grew up in a time of unique circumstances that allowed for major economic growth (post WW2 peace)


Ask yourself WHY there was such a boom..

Coming off defeating a Communist threat to our freedom and REAL DEPRESSION, Americans APPRECIATED the blessings this country has to offer & created a positive productive society that didn't expect anything from anybody.

One real advantage Boomers did have though (early boomers at least) was that taxes and government were less intrusive enough that a family could survive on one income.

That being said, the biggest difference in life overall was patience and expectations.
My parents did without and SAVED for things they wanted/needed. A house was 1200-1500 sf with a 8-14% mortgage and didn't have all of the luxuries we take for granted today.

Go price building a 1200 sf house with basic appliances and Formica finishes before you complain about not being able to afford your quartzite countertops, walk in closets, 2 car garages for your 2 luxury cars, spa tubs, rain showerheads, and smart features.

Today's generation would be horrified to have to live in such an "embarrassing" house or drive the beaters we drove to save up enough to buy that "embarrassing" little house.

I'm not saying it's easy today for kids coming up; it's very hard.
But to blame Boomers for your inability to enjoy the luxuries they created is disingenuous and lacks context.
Regardless of who created the problems, the solution is certainly NOT more government, hating the principles that founded this country, printing more money, and adopting a Bernie Sanders type philosophy on the country's direction.

Blame all you want since that makes you feel better (being a victim validation), but until the generation in power (whoever that is), does something about the monster that was created in DC, we're screwed.



Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:51 am to


You got lucky to find an affordable house in Charleston. shite got expensive.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 9:52 am to
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This is how you know you’ve lost the argument.



I havent lost anything
You clearly dont understand money or home equity

I assume you are a 20% down type of tard so if you bought a 200k home and sold it for 300k you got back 140k

You could put 20% down on 300k and have 80k liquid
Your new payment would be 1500 vs 800
Until rates drop and then the payment would be 1200

So a 1200 payment and 80k in the bank isnt something you can handle?

How broke are you?
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 10:22 am to
Same. I was doing fine until my mortgage increased $400 this year bc of insurance and the inflation of all utilities and groceries, and everything else. Now I find myself wondering how the average person is making it. I do add to my 401k, although I had to reduce it a little. Some days I just want to toss it all and give up. Other days, I’ll be d*mned if I will let them succeed. I will make it.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 11:08 am to
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quote:

North Charleston?
Hell no!

Posted by Taxing Authority
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 11:16 am to
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What do you mean by "successful"?

Their standard of living was improved by coming here, but that doesn't make them successful.
Immigrants come here poor-as you note. Few stay poor. Their children typically do as well or better than native born americans. Odd isn’t it?

I’d consider anyone that improves their lifestyle and hands their children a ton of opportunity— successful. What would you call it?
This post was edited on 9/3/23 at 11:17 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 9/3/23 at 11:18 am to
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So by your account, a 30y/o Millennial could have purchased a $200K home, and 4-yrs later, could now be sitting on a $100K profit.

Yet, that historically rare opportunity is somehow terrible?
Right. The same people b*tvhing thst house prices are appreciating, while sitting ont he sidelines are just watching an opportunity pass by. Not only can you buy an appreciation g asset, you can do it with other people’s money. Try that in the stock market.
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